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  Click here to go to the first staff post in this thread.   Thread: DunDef Digest 9/12/12 Discussion Thread

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    Yea if we don't get a patch for the dlc weapons n the little bugs where gonna get in the further a lot of ppl r going to quit

  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitmonchan View Post
    Is Nightmare mode balanced around the original 4 heroes, or is it balanced around using the paid DLC characters (EV, Summoner) in addition to the regular heroes? - Carlh267

    Jeremy: It's balanced around any combination of 4 heroes (definitely not meant to be taken on be a lone player). Certain missions can be somewhat easier with the DLC heroes in the mix, but it has been designed to be beatable by any combo.
    Hmmm... I can understand Hitmochan submitting this question to Jeremy instead of the one I posted, which addressed the problem a bit more specifically (and probably because mine was more of a loaded question; so fair enough)...

    But I stand by what I wrote last week when I asked you guys if you were aware of how pigeonholed Nightmare strategy has become, especially for Shards maps/endgame and survival. Like I said last week, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong by one of your gameplay devs showing us a working layout of something like Sky City NM without using the EV or Summoner. I'd imagine it's at least doable on Campaign mode with ridiculously high stats, but on Survival?

    Well, there's a reason why all of today's (working) layout guides look the same, use the same defenses -- in the same way -- and use the same strategy. I dunno, Jeremy... You're telling us that Shards and maps like Talay, Karathiki and King's Game can really be completed in Survival mode with "any combination of 4 heroes" (i.e., the original four)? I wanna believe that because I agree that's how the game should work, but I don't think it does... I think you guys started neglecting core hero balance after the EV and Summoner were released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugssondj View Post
    Yea if we don't get a patch for the dlc weapons n the little bugs where gonna get in the further a lot of ppl r going to quit
    They have already stated the reasons why the DLC weapons and pets are not being included. If it takes 12(more?) new weapons and the 2 pets to keep people interested I have news for you. They will be leaving slightly sooner than they would have otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxPaper View Post
    Hmmm... I can understand Hitmochan submitting this question to Jeremy instead of the one I posted, which addressed the problem a bit more specifically (and probably because mine was more of a loaded question; so fair enough)...

    But I stand by what I wrote last week when I asked you guys if you were aware of how pigeonholed Nightmare strategy has become, especially for Shards maps/endgame and survival. Like I said last week, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong by one of your gameplay devs showing us a working layout of something like Sky City NM without using the EV or Summoner. I'd imagine it's at least doable on Campaign mode with ridiculously high stats, but on Survival?

    Well, there's a reason why all of today's (working) layout guides look the same, use the same defenses -- in the same way -- and use the same strategy. I dunno, Jeremy... You're telling us that Shards and maps like Talay, Karathiki and King's Game can really be completed in Survival mode with "any combination of 4 heroes" (i.e., the original four)? I wanna believe that because I agree that's how the game should work, but I don't think it does... I think you guys started neglecting core hero balance after the EV and Summoner were released.
    I think you're looking into his answer way too much. He simply dodged the actual question. The question was if Nightmare was balanced around the ORIGINAL FOUR (Apprentice, Squire, Huntress and Monk) not if Nightmare was balanced around FOUR PLAYERS (Which was how he answered the Question). Whether this was accidental or intentional, I do not know, but the sensible thing to do would be to go back and ask him the question again. Only this time clarifying it so that he actually answers the question asked.

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    Jeremy: We'd definitely consider it, but as we mentioned before, even a minute change there could alter the entire progression ramp, and not necessarily for the better (imagine getting Ultimate weapons in the first 10 hours of play, etc). So it'd have to be a change that kept the progression ramp intact, which can be tricky in a game with as much content as this.

    From what I see, he is pretty clear. It probably is possible to beat the shards with just original characters, but for sure not possible to do survival. I actually want to test this.

  6. #26
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    They sure do enjoy steering clear of answering questions. For instance: when asked about whether or not coding from an outside source could be introduced into the game, it was implied that the coding in question would be allowing ults to drop within 40 minutes of playing the game >.> We all know that only one person here on the forum, who A LOT of people have been backing, does not want that to happen and does not even have it in the coding to let it be 'too' easy to get high end gear, just to fix negatives and such.

    Also, the question about ult weapon damage scaling was ignored. It has been plastered all over the forums for over a month now, how could they not see it by now? They play dumb way too much for their own good.

    Perhaps I am overreacting, but it just seems so unprofessional to me.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitmonchan View Post
    Are you guys aware of/will there be a fix for damage scaling on the Ultimate versions of The Eternian Greatsword, The Gambler's Polearm and The Light Knight? - Dragonsmight

    Jeremy: If you can please explain the issue to me here, we will fix it!
    The lower versions (Supreme/Trans) of these weapons upgrade for more damage then the Ultimate versions. For example for the Eternian Greatsword the Trans version upgrades at 304 per ^ while the Ultimate version upgrades at 213 per ^. Not sure of the exact numbers for the other two weapons but it is discussed in Ultimate damage scaling for multiple weapons thread.

    If this is fixed will it be retro active, will my already upped Ultimate have its damage increased?

    Thanks for the response :P

  8. #28
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    First time I've been on here in a minute and I didn't really see any answers that made me want to start playing again. It just seems like every answer is a 'maybe' or a dodge of the actual problem at hand.

    Question: Will the RNG be addressed?

    Answer: Maybe, but we want to be careful because people might actually get good gear without putting in 100+ hours.

    If the changes were made to NM exclusively, I don't think an ultimate dropping on Deeper Well is the end of the world. I also think it was stated before that the above issue doesn't even need to be addressed right away. People would probably come back if any of the problems were fixed (rollover.....). Not necessarily all of them.

    Question: Is NM balanced for the core classes?

    Answer: Yep. Sure. Totally.

    If I were less frustrated with the state of DD I would definitely try to beat shards survivals using just the 4 core characters. However, I'm pretty sure I already know how that would end.

    RNG and hero balance are the two things keeping me inactive. I'm bored of cookie cutter builds and tired of flushing away hours of my life with no signs of potential progress.

    </complaining>

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxPaper View Post
    Well, there's a reason why all of today's (working) layout guides look the same, use the same defenses -- in the same way -- and use the same strategy. I dunno, Jeremy... You're telling us that Shards and maps like Talay, Karathiki and King's Game can really be completed in Survival mode with "any combination of 4 heroes" (i.e., the original four)? I wanna believe that because I agree that's how the game should work, but I don't think it does... I think you guys started neglecting core hero balance after the EV and Summoner were released.
    I want to see them complete survival with 4 rangers :d.

    For the rest, I sincerely doubt that NM is doable with normal statted heros (so not 2k towerdmg heroes) if the EV buffbeam is not used.

    Any case I haven't been playing this game since they released the last patch. I don't see the fun in spending an insane number of hours in the hope of maybe getting something that is an upgrade. And knowing that I am relegated to doing the same map again and again and again and again and again...

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    I'm very interested to see the patch notes, think there going to be pretty important for DD's future for the next few months at this point.

    Until then - back to GW2 Borderlands 2 next week as well....

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