Tower Animation Delays

[CrzyRndm]

Some explanation is probably in order here.
The number you see on tower info as the time between shots dosen't include:
A) The time for the firing animation to play (what these numbers are about)
B) The frame required to get a target (0.02s)

B/c the animation scales with your stats, the added delay from it isn't fixed. This is me playing around to find an equation that gives the true RoF for some towers depending on the one you get shown ingame.

Key:
Stat tested: The Rate stat that these numbers correspond to
Reported Rate: The number shown on the ingame display
Times for 10 shots: The time between the first projectile and the eleventh (10 animations). Repeated 8 times
Average time per shot: The average of the middle 6 values (max and min are discarded), divided by 10
Difference: (Average time per shot) - (Reported Rate)
Actual difference: (Difference) - (0.02) [targeting frame]
Multiplier: 1 + (Actual Difference) / (Reported Rate)

Harpoons

Stat Tested	Reported Rate	Times for 10 shots								Average time per shot	Difference	Actual Difference	Multiplier
50	0.86	12.11	12.35	12.23	12.34	12.29	12.22	12.24	12.30	1.23	0.37	0.35	1.40
374	0.40	5.83	5.76	5.83	5.70	5.89	5.78	5.71	5.78	0.58	0.18	0.16	1.40
767	0.30	4.45	4.50	4.58	4.52	4.38	4.40	4.38	4.33	0.44	0.14	0.12	1.40

True RoF (Harpoon) = reported * 1.4 + 0.02 [frame required to aquire target]

Bowling ball

Stat Tested	Reported Rate	Times for 10 shots								Average time per shot	Difference	Actual Difference	Multiplier
26	0.76	12.85	12.91	12.91	12.97	12.91	12.93	13.00	12.92	1.29	0.53	0.51	1.67
329	0.30	5.45	5.47	5.46	5.51	5.44	5.45	5.46	5.51	0.55	0.25	0.23	1.76
1141	0.18	3.58	3.64	3.65	3.52	3.58	3.58	3.58	3.58	0.36	0.18	0.16	1.88

True RoF (Bowler) = Some curve. Looks like a 1/x type (x = reported, y=multiplier)
Wrong number somewhere Trendy? The other two are linear right into 2k stats.
Fireball

Stat Tested	Reported Rate	Times for 10 shots								Average time per shot	Difference	Actual Difference	Multiplier
72	0.73	9.81	9.87	9.90	9.88	9.84	9.72	9.84	9.78	0.98	0.25	0.23	1.32
209	0.45	6.16	6.20	6.08	6.22	6.16	6.10	6.17	6.08	0.61	0.16	0.14	1.32

True RoF (Fireball) = Reported * 1.32 + 0.02

Only two test points for Fb's b/c the shots start blending together visually any higher, and I really dont want to wait >5s per shot for a lower point...

[Rand0m1zat10n]

So, Trendy should either fix the display to what it actually is or speed them up to how they show.

Hopefully the latter.

[classic22]

Rate of fire shouldn't take into consideration the time it takes to fire the projectile.

The rate of fire is how fast it will be between complete animations and launches and the next animation and launch.

[CrzyRndm]

So, Trendy should either fix the display to what it actually is or speed them up to how they show.

Hopefully the latter.

Speeding them up will buff all physical towers by anything up to 100%, and will wreck balance between towers b/c they will all be buffed by different amounts.

Rate of fire shouldn't take into consideration the time it takes to fire the projectile.

The rate of fire is how fast it will be between complete animations and launches and the next animation and launch.

I assume you mean RoF = time for a single complete cycle.

[Rand0m1zat10n]

Rate of fire shouldn't take into consideration the time it takes to fire the projectile.

The rate of fire is how fast it will be between complete animations and launches and the next animation and launch.

Well when your towers are firing fast enough to the point it doesn't display an animation anymore...

And the firing rate is still misleading, to many who wouldn't know this.

It needs to be changed to what it really is.

Speeding them up will buff all physical towers by anything up to 100%, and will wreck balance between towers b/c they will all be buffed by different amounts.

Sorry about that, wasn't necessarily serious. I agree it would be unbalanced, but then people wouldn't be complaining about NM being too hard now would they?

[classic22]

Speeding them up will buff all physical towers by anything up to 100%, and will wreck balance between towers b/c they will all be buffed by different amounts.

I assume you mean RoF = time for a single complete cycle.

RoF should only be the time it takes to launch the projectile, not including the animation time.

[Hisoka]

RoF should only be the time it takes to launch the projectile, not including the animation time.

No, Rate of fire is how often it fires including everything
Not just the interval. If the RoF is .20 I should be getting 5 shots per second not 4.x but 5 that is what it is no excuses .

[classic22]

No, Rate of fire is how often it fires including everything
Not just the interval. If the RoF is .20 I should be getting 5 shots per second not 4.x but 5 that is what it is no excuses .

That's your opinion.

RoF is the time it takes to launch a projectile. That's more than likely what the stats display.

[CrzyRndm]

A) Currently the stats show the delay between animations.
B) The first post is about the time for the animation which is additional to (A) but not shown
C) The wording on the stat window ("Attack Rate") implies to me that it is the time for a complete cycle (ie. one delay + one animation).

A,B, or C classic. Your wording is just not processing right tonight

[classic22]

I think I am being very very clear.

Two things happen.

1. The animation
2. Firing of the projectile

RoF is only the time it takes to fire the projectile. It does not include the animation. Hope that clears it up.

That's my opinion on how it should work.