New map is way to easy...

[Mkgego]

Yeah easy...

Sure that more than the half of the complains comes from pple soloing on NM ...

How about 4/4 with new and no so new players for a change... ?


Thank you ! ^^

[ghost8686]

You keep acting like this map is a one stop shop for everything. It isn't.

Yes, the pawnshot is the best huntress weapon.

The stone's throw, monk wrench and eternia spear are all better monk weapons than the gambler's polearm.

The squire and mage weapons from this are garbage for dps and are more for novelty purpose.

Survival can of course give good armor drops if you have two summoners out. That I wont argue with. But armor drops are such crap that I see don't see this as a bad thing. And not to mention that this will maybe help out with the fact that trans sets are going for a cube or more on the trading forum.

You're still going to have to Aquanos, Sky City and Karathiki if you want the best dps pets in the game.

You're still going to have to do Palantir if you want the best accessories in the game.

This map on survival currently has better drops then any other map in the game on survival. As for the pets, you are correct. Unless you buy a pet from a player you will have to get one yourself from a survival map. That may add another day or so of playing for people after they farm all their gear on the new and easy map. Also, the weapons for monk and squire may not be as good as say sky city and the eternian weapons but they are far superior then basically all the other weapons you can get and will easily get you into a similar damage range (the ultimate squire wep upgrades for 250 allegedly which is actually more then an ulti eternian greatsword upgrades for). And for the record, the best accessories drop from crystalline dimension on NMHC, not palantir, and have little to do with game progression.

EDIT: I am pretty sure the ulti squire weapon actually only upgrades for around 150. So it does not upgrade for more then a greatsword. Even so, it still is a far superior weapon to anything not sky city+ and is easily obtainable.

[fyfyx]

We started playing 2-3 weeks ago with a friend

first days :
xp xp xp xp
oh crap we got useless classes

first week :
xpxpxpxpxp
oh crap , you need tower + buff beam + aura + summoner + dpss?
xpxpxpxpxpx

1 week after farming glitter like maniacs we got our toons to 90 , and the others 78+

ohh crap what did we xp for ? we dont even have gear... evrything is to expensif

week1+2 :
grind grind grind
oh what are we grinding ? no clue this game has no logic progression .
oh magus gives myth gear so we farmed that over and over again

now our main chars got about 2000-2400 bonus
tower/buff/summoner 1000-1300 bonus
what can we farm? not much

yesterday the patch came out
oh nm hc !
loot loot loot
eh **** i got no place on my bank !
thanks for the trans and supreme gear :| kinda sad to get it so easy but well wont say no farming 2 maps for hours was borin anyway.
They messed up the progression in this game in MY opignon , and all the hackers? great new players cant buy anything cause of the abused prices..
but if i understood it right this is the last dlc , so who cares just play and do what is giving you the most fun

[elmo]

Because I want to save this game from going downhill. Maybe Trendy doesn't care about the game anymore and wants to move on and forget about it, but I actually enjoyed it, and am trying to contribute my considerable knowledge of game balance to this thread in the hopes that people will begin to understand why this new map as it is will have a negative impact on the game in the long run.

That's assuming people will play in the long run. With no more stuff game is over and people will leave.

[imported_some_guy]

and the eternian weapons but they are far superior then basically all the other weapons you can get and will easily get you into a similar damage range (the ultimate squire wep upgrades for 250 allegedly which is actually more then an ulti eternian greatsword upgrades for). And for the record, the best accessories drop from crystalline dimension on NMHC, not palantir, and have little to do with game progression.

I have an ultimate one and it gets 117 per upgrade. I checked. I've seen other people with ultimates and they told me the same

As for accessories, I haven't done crystal dimension too many times, but the accessories I got from there are worse stat wise than what I get from Palantir. You're right, they don't have much to do with progression, but I was just saying that that's one more thing that you can't get from this map.

[KouDy]

Tbh i don't really know how to tackle the map with my summoner on insane. There is always something slipping through... Plus the Overlord mode on this map really sucks dues to multiple floors...

[Tang56]

Tbh i don't really know how to tackle the map with my summoner on insane. There is always something slipping through... Plus the Overlord mode on this map really sucks dues to multiple floors...

Have you got an EV?
I put all my defences in an outward facing narrow V at each crystal, with one buff beam per line, then surround the crystals with 2-4 reflect walls depending on DU.

Here's a quick photoshop example since I can't be bothered to actually play it right now. Minions and other defences on the buffs, upgrade, then AFK.



You might need to adjust the shape of the V to hit the largest possible field of targets.

[KouDy]

No EV. I only have Summoner and some lvl 62 squire. I would like to beat it with summoner only too (call it stupidity or personal pride, up to you ). I will find a way after some more practicing i guess...

[ghost8686]

I have an ultimate one and it gets 117 per upgrade. I checked. I've seen other people with ultimates and they told me the same

As for accessories, I haven't done crystal dimension too many times, but the accessories I got from there are worse stat wise than what I get from Palantir. You're right, they don't have much to do with progression, but I was just saying that that's one more thing that you can't get from this map.

I edited my post about the squire sword. I know they do not get 250. I am surprised they only get 117 though as an ultimate considering the myth one I have gets 140. Even so, it is still a decent weapon and very easy to get. I actually have no problem with the quality of the weapons (besides the gun which is ludicrous atm), my real concern lies with the drops that are occurring on survival considering the ease of the map.

[T@F]

You keep acting like this map is a one stop shop for everything. It isn't.

Yes, the pawnshot is the best huntress weapon.

The stone's throw, monk wrench and eternia spear are all better monk weapons than the gambler's polearm.

The squire and mage weapons from this are garbage for dps and are more for novelty purpose.

Survival can of course give good armor drops if you have two summoners out. That I wont argue with. But armor drops are such crap that I see don't see this as a bad thing. And not to mention that this will maybe help out with the fact that trans sets are going for a cube or more on the trading forum.

You're still going to have to Aquanos, Sky City and Karathiki if you want the best dps pets in the game.

You're still going to have to do Palantir if you want the best accessories in the game.

I have to agree with this.
A map come out to help lower lvl players to progress and help solo players,and now the hard core players are crying,because there afk shop stuff will have to come down in price.

I hope trendy keeps it this way,it's only one map out of how many we can solo on nm with less than imbar gear?