My advice to you...regarding progression(PC)

[zeus9860]

That's exactly what i did a few months back, except that i can't really progress anymore without the help of others, which in this game is something really hard to find y'know.

Only way to progress even further in nightmare difficulty is by buying items from other player taverns (most of the prices on these are outrageous!) or join a clan/group that dedicates to doing runs once in a while, or to help people.

So yeah, you can't really progress in this game all by yourself, you will need people to help you out, and like i said, it's hard to find the right people to play with (you either get booted once you connect or play with rookies who don't know what they are doing).

[KarlHeinz69]

So yeah, you can't really progress in this game all by yourself, you will need people to help you out, and like i said, it's hard to find the right people to play with (you either get booted once you connect or play with rookies who don't know what they are doing).

Its also hard to get "good" players joining your game.
Dont know how many times i wanted to help some people out, but guess what, they connect with super low resis (even negatives), dont collect mana in the rounds and beginning, loot in between rounds and die because of it, dont up or repair defenses - just useless.
I guess thats why most advanced players dont open their games, because nothing good will come out of it.

[KamelJabber]

RE: the OP.

What I did and do, of course once you get to the point where you can run 18 - 30 Misty (or whatever level your on and whatever wave you can get to)

I made a folder called "Root" (for organization)
In Root I made Armor
In Armor I made: Pristine, Chain, Mail, etc...

Run Misty, I dunno 6-12 times. During the Combat Phase blindly collect greens, purples, yellows. Open all the chests and collect the same. Quickly drag all the armor you collected into Root --> Armor. Sell everything else that was useless or an obvious green that is crap.

NOTE: looting is the worst part for me. I whip though picking and organizing the items as fast as possible.

In the tavern organize them into their armor types.

After your dozen runs, go through each builder and check the respective type for upgrades. Once that is done, get a naked character and pick the best set out of each type (you may have to use the "upgraded" item you put on your current builder)

Once it's all said and done, I promise you it's a fast way to progress with the end result being huge upgrades!

Then there is a phase of maxing out each item.

This worked for me. In no time no more upgrades were dropping for me in Misty, I am now implementing the same plan on AQ and only picking up Trans or rare VERY high end myths.

You'll also end up with the benefit of very good items to sell.

This is the outline, w/o writing a 10 page thesis you get the idea Refer to my [TIP] Baby Steps as a suppliment to what I'm saying here. http://forums.trendyent.com/showthre...TIP-Baby-Steps

P.S. DoughBoy for taking the time to contribute.

P.S.S. Overall I have a long way to go. I may have ONE char with ONE stat in 3k; i still have to farm mana to max him and need to get my other characters up to par.

P.S.S.S. I don't recall how this works, but the max stat in a myth is 360. If you upgrade with all your gear on you'll get to that max stat too early. Remove a piece of armor, THEN upgrade to the max stat. I always look to try to reach max stats in at least 1 or two pieces of armor. Using my pet and other two pieces to supplement the other two.

[bigjeey]

Its also hard to get "good" players joining your game.
Dont know how many times i wanted to help some people out, but guess what, they connect with super low resis (even negatives), dont collect mana in the rounds and beginning, loot in between rounds and die because of it, dont up or repair defenses - just useless.
I guess thats why most advanced players dont open their games, because nothing good will come out of it.

For one of these good players it's also hard to find a team with better stats than you have who won't be a **** about it. Last time I joined a NM misty campaign for fun with my 1200 atk melee squire i got a 'lololololol misty with those stats' + kick. I hereby inform those players that I successfully carried a low resist apprentice through that very same level, WITHOUT DYING (I so regret not turning on hardcore).

Seems like the portion of higher started players in pubs is just tossing their e-peen around. I can do aquanos survival NMHC up to wave 13 (4 sharken, 3 djinn, 2 ogres in the same lane) with 1.5K tower atk and others around 900, why can't they semi-carry another player with 2500 stats on nightmare hardcore alchemical labs ?

No, a majority of high stats players i see are just useless when they can't build harpoons side by side and rely on their sheer force.

[imported_some_guy]

For one of these good players it's also hard to find a team with better stats than you have who won't be a **** about it. Last time I joined a NM misty campaign for fun with my 1200 atk melee squire i got a 'lololololol misty with those stats' + kick. I hereby inform those players that I successfully carried a low resist apprentice through that very same level, WITHOUT DYING (I so regret not turning on hardcore).

That happens a lot and I hate that. People think that just because their stats get higher that somehow the maps that they do become impossible with lower stats.

[Ngamok]

There seems to be a step missing somewhere in there... like, how to get decent gear. Playing past Glitter insane doesn't give nearly good enough gear for nightmare, and just getting to level 74-78 with meh godly gear doesn't really cut it. I finally broke down and bought some mythic items which got me started.

Do the easy Nightmare challenges for weapons. Get into public Monster Fests. Kill Alchemy Boss on Nightmare a few times get class weapon + 1 piece of mythical armor. Do Insane Aquanos for weapon + Mythical armor as well.

[Kruntski]

Do Insane Aquanos for weapon + Mythical armor as well.

Insane Aqua survival for a good chance at picking up a trans sea horse.

[DoughBoy32]

There seems to be a step missing somewhere in there... like, how to get decent gear. Playing past Glitter insane doesn't give nearly good enough gear for nightmare, and just getting to level 74-78 with meh godly gear doesn't really cut it. I finally broke down and bought some mythic items which got me started.

I read this type of response at least a couple times a week. I don't want to sound like your message is not without merit, but the answer truly lies in old-fashioned hard work.

When you need your first mythicals, no a NM survival( not HC) starting from the first wave. I recommend either alch labs or magus quarters. So you only get to wave 5? You got some gear didn't you? Spread the gear around to your builders and start again at wave 1. Soon you will be able to start at wave 13 and farm pets. Guess what? In addition to gear, you also now have access to Trans pets( with some RNG luck). Because of this feat you accomplished, you have progressed. Continue striving to go higher in survival until you can finish the map. Another pet, another progression milestone once you can do wave 25. Then switch to HC for better gear and pets. This is the progression.

You will fail, you might rage a little, but if you keep at it you will win.

[DoughBoy32]

While its fresh on my mind, I started doing NM alch labs survival with an Ev and apprentice who were both poorly geared. First run or two the map took longer to setup than it did for my defenses to get overrun.

I equipped drops as fast as I could and got gear for my squire as well. Soon I was farming pets and that enabled me to go higher.

Another option is to do the campaign on NMHC, you get an achievement and the jet pack for your hunter!