Fish Wyvern problems

[LipsofAshes]

i always have 1 harpoon facing backwards on south crystal and ensnare str drain , and 2 electric ( one on each side then they overlay ) and when fish comes i tower boost and dps the **** out of them , however if i die or i'm not there its 100% loose , they have to much hp and do to much dmg , but hey maybe its working has intended ( for dps chars they atack slow either the ball you can move to side and the melee animation you can see it ) but this also reminds me of wyverns in City in the cliff nm hc mm they 1 shot Crystal to.

[Guizmus]

As said before, the HP are too much for fyverns in my opinion. Those are NOT flying ogres, right?
And yes, the dmg is far too high too. I don't like to complain usualy, but having 90% rez poison and getting 1 shot by 1 single fyvern doesn't seem normal. Even ninjas don't hit that hard (comparing the same wave).

[kittikat]

I wish they nerf the hp and the damage of the fish wevrens

But when will that will happen that's the proplem I hope

They nerf it in the next patch

Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf!

"I can't beat this level on NM!! It's obviously got nothing to do with my blehy build or my outstandingly horrid gear with 15% resists on it!"

"I haven't even beaten campaign mode but when I join NM Modes with other people, I die and we all fail!! OVERPOWERED MOBS I SAY!!!"

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NMHC Aquanos Survival.

http://screensnapr.com/v/XS8kNl.jpg

I see no problems with them.

Maybe you're doing it wrong.

[mrmisterwaa]

Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf!

"I can't beat this level on NM!! It's obviously got nothing to do with my blehy build or my outstandingly horrid gear with 15% resists on it!"

"I haven't even beaten campaign mode but when I join NM Modes with other people, I die and we all fail!! OVERPOWERED MOBS I SAY!!!"

...

NMHC Aquanos Survival.

http://screensnapr.com/v/XS8kNl.jpg

I see no problems with them.

Maybe you're doing it wrong.

^This.

The only place that would remotely be an issue with Fishies is the Top Right corner of the map.

Best counter for them: Electric Aura.

[markusoro]

Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf!

"I can't beat this level on NM!! It's obviously got nothing to do with my blehy build or my outstandingly horrid gear with 15% resists on it!"

"I haven't even beaten campaign mode but when I join NM Modes with other people, I die and we all fail!! OVERPOWERED MOBS I SAY!!!"

...

NMHC Aquanos Survival.

http://screensnapr.com/v/XS8kNl.jpg

I see no problems with them.

Maybe you're doing it wrong.

Play a couple of rounds in mix mode and come back here for a less ignorant post. Non mix mode is easy.

[kittikat]

Play a couple of rounds in mix mode and come back here for a less ignorant post. Non mix mode is easy.

Highest we've gotten in MM is 28.

The wyverns from below aren't a problem for us. We always get nailed by one stray wyvern hitting the middle crystal when it sneaks around the pathing zone.

This was last Sunday Night. We haven't played since D3 came out though.

But, as I've stated. We're not having issues to dying or anything from the wyverns. It just happens to be that one friggin wyvern hitting our least protected crystal.

So we're rethinking some set-ups, not crying to the forums for a nerf.

First it was the Sharken (DAY 1 NERF WTF!!!!)

Now it's the fishies.

This game wasn't meant to be slept through while you casual your way through NMHCMM maps.

I don't play the game cause I want it to be a boring yawnfest. If I wanted a game like that, I'd go play WoW where EVERYTHING has gotten nerfed to oblivion cause of people like you.

[imported_some_guy]

Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf!

"I can't beat this level on NM!! It's obviously got nothing to do with my blehy build or my outstandingly horrid gear with 15% resists on it!"

"I haven't even beaten campaign mode but when I join NM Modes with other people, I die and we all fail!! OVERPOWERED MOBS I SAY!!!"

...

NMHC Aquanos Survival.

http://screensnapr.com/v/XS8kNl.jpg

I see no problems with them.

Maybe you're doing it wrong.

That was a little harsh.

And I think they could use a nerf too. Look at djinn and sharken for example... even with good setups they're still occasionally going to slip through, but the difference is that when you catch it you can usually hold out until the end of the wave and fix their damage, even on the later waves.

Fish wyvern are totally unforgiving. If one slips past, you're screwed and your whole run is shot (even on the earlier waves).

[kittikat]

That was a little harsh.

And I think they could use a nerf too. Look at djinn and sharken for example... even with good setups they're still occasionally going to slip through, but the difference is that when you catch it you can usually hold out until the end of the wave and fix their damage, even on the later waves.

Fish wyvern are totally unforgiving. If one slips past, you're screwed and your whole run is shot (even on the earlier waves).

We don't have sharken or djinn "accidents". Once you know how to prepare for them (Darkness/Gas properly placed and always up) they give you no problems.

We've had two incidents with the fishie one/two-shotting our crystal. First time we were "omg wtf killed us" the second time, we built the same set-up, but kept an eye on that particular wave to see what was going to happen.

When we discovered it, we decided to revise our build. But by then it was too late in the night. Then D3 came out the next day.

We pretty much have a layout which will cover that little area without suffering too much from another cluster.

As I've said before: It's a build/gearing issue. If you're dying in one or two shots, you're WAY undergeared and need to spend more time farming the step below for better gear and mana to buy upgrades.

If things are breaking through/killing your crystal, then you need to revise your build and possibly even your gear.

Fully upgraded, with buff-beams, our tower builder's harps do about 110k damage on Djinns in NM mode with 0.12 speed or something iirc. That's how we check his DPS, is on the djinns, since they have the most damage reduction against them.

If you're not breaking 100k damage on djinn's with your towers, you probably shouldn't be in mix mode.

[imported_some_guy]

We don't have sharken or djinn "accidents". Once you know how to prepare for them (Darkness/Gas properly placed and always up) they give you no problems.

We've had two incidents with the fishie one/two-shotting our crystal. First time we were "omg wtf killed us" the second time, we built the same set-up, but kept an eye on that particular wave to see what was going to happen.

When we discovered it, we decided to revise our build. But by then it was too late in the night. Then D3 came out the next day.

We pretty much have a layout which will cover that little area without suffering too much from another cluster.

As I've said before: It's a build/gearing issue. If you're dying in one or two shots, you're WAY undergeared and need to spend more time farming the step below for better gear and mana to buy upgrades.

If things are breaking through/killing your crystal, then you need to revise your build and possibly even your gear.

Fully upgraded, with buff-beams, our tower builder's harps do about 110k damage on Djinns in NM mode with 0.12 speed or something iirc. That's how we check his DPS, is on the djinns, since they have the most damage reduction against them.

If you're not breaking 100k damage on djinn's with your towers, you probably shouldn't be in mix mode.

Well, I can't do things 100% perfectly in this game. I don't think that means that I shouldn't be doing the map if a couple walls get moved and I have to replace them during the build phase.

And yes, I know that my build needs to be revised, it's certainly not perfect. My point was that fish wyvern allow for zero error. If I don't place a trap or wall correctly and something (besides a fish wyvern) breaks through, I can say "Gee, I didn't place that quite right, I better adjust it a bit during the next buildphase" and then handle the problem with DPS until then.

If you know how to build so that you have 0 breaks every time throughout the course of a survival run, then that's great. You're probably in the top .001% of players.

But for the rest of us who aren't at that point, the sharken and everything else are at least forgiving enough so that it's possible to catch the problem in time if you're paying attention. So I don't see why the fish wyvern should be quite as powerful as they are. And please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even Kandar who is well known for providing awesome builds has said even he occasionally has Sharken push walls on him.

Again, if you think I'm crying for easy mode, that's fine. But it's just not fun when you're doing runs that can take several hours and there's something can destroy it the crystal instantly.

If it were a 10 or 15 minute game, then I'd do it over again, but when it takes longer than just to set up your defenses, it's just frustrating and makes me not want to play again for a while.

[kittikat]

Well, I can't do things 100% perfectly in this game. I don't think that means that I shouldn't be doing the map if a couple walls get moved and I have to replace them during the build phase.

And yes, I know that my build needs to be revised, it's certainly not perfect. My point was that fish wyvern allow for zero error. If I don't place a trap or wall correctly and something (besides a fish wyvern) breaks through, I can say "Gee, I didn't place that quite right, I better adjust it a bit during the next buildphase" and then handle the problem with DPS until then.

If you know how to build so that you have 0 breaks every time throughout the course of a survival run, then that's great. You're probably in the top .001% of players.

But for the rest of us who aren't at that point, the sharken and everything else are at least forgiving enough so that it's possible to catch the problem in time if you're paying attention. So I don't see why the fish wyvern should be quite as powerful as they are. And please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even Kandar who is well known for providing awesome builds has said even he occasionally has Sharken push walls on him.

Again, if you think I'm crying for easy mode, that's fine. But it's just not fun when you're doing runs that can take several hours and there's something can destroy it the crystal instantly.

If it were a 10 or 15 minute game, then I'd do it over again, but when it takes longer than just to set up your defenses, it's just frustrating and makes me not want to play again for a while.

I actually like your post. It's not that I think you yourself are crying for easy mode. You're giving out well thought out problems and what you've done to try to address those issues.

It's most of the majority who tend to jump on the bandwagon of "ZOMG THIS IS TOO HARD!!!" that I have issues with. Those who have <50% resists, <1k stats and then get crushed in wave 8 of Survival NM and don't even know why they're failing so hard. Those with the mentality of "It can't be me, it HAS TO BE THE GAME!! NERF THE GAME!!!"

They see a topic about how hard <flavor of the week is> in the game and immediately chime in. People who got the game 6 days ago to people who haven't even stepped foot into completing the campaign on INSANE even. They just join a random NM game and get blasted into the corner, crying.

Can't stand that.