Patch Discussion 7.42

[JeremyStieglitz]

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[nsih197]

what exactly is the better randomization? and is it only for high end gear?

[Alhanalem]

what exactly is the better randomization? and is it only for high end gear?It specifically applies when you are level 93 as the patch notes state.

This is totally a guess on my part but this may have been done so that they could tweak randomization without impacting lower-level balance. Only time will tell though- I hope i'm not the only one curious what this "event" is.

[Kobalobasileus]

It seems kind of silly to be worrying about breaking "lower level" balance and applying the loot tweak ONLY to maxed-out characters. Pre-level-74 is low level. Wouldn't applying the loot tweak to level 74+ make more sense?

[Eamesy89]

Huntress buff is a great idea, so is 8 heroes per page, and I'm also happy to have something to do with my level 90's. Great work develeopers!

[nub.1337]

That last bullet point on 7.42 really struck a nerve. :( Those Ultimate items that were BROKEN to begin with should have the option to be reset to 0. I don't mind paying the extra mana to re-upgrade an item, but to not give us an option to FIX that problem is WRONG.

[gamingfortehlulz]

super legendairy nearly as fast as?
common trendy, they should be faster. its still impossible for monk to jump of the airship this way.
people play 500+ hours te be able to get that skin, 500 hours and its worthless because of the speed.
i havent tried it yet since i am at college, but the legendairy is mega slow as well.
i guess i will see it once i get home

[DanielSound]

I can't wait to try the new randomization for lvl 93 D: gotta go rush palantir exp runs xD
Would that mean I'll see more Sups/Ults? :3

[radhaz]

Definitely sounds promising

[DURH]

That last bullet point on 7.42 really struck a nerve. :( Those Ultimate items that were BROKEN to begin with should have the option to be reset to 0. I don't mind paying the extra mana to re-upgrade an item, but to not give us an option to FIX that problem is WRONG.
i agree :p
so the upped ulti weapons are now gona b... not so much worthless, but essentially useless, and ill need to get a fresh bunch of weapons, right?

[sandbagr]

* Huntress and Hunter 20% exponential ramp damage buff (high-end heroes approximately +50% end-result)

Is that Trap Damage or Hero Damage or Both?

[Commish]

8 Heroes is a great +. Any way to add a 'Hero Select' in the Custom Match search? e.g. if there's a certain map, I'd rather be X character really quickly. Spiders on King's Game are still just spawning and not moving in lower levels especially. I'm still kinda bummed on a 366^ Greatsword I upgraded before I knew it was 'busted' a while back, now it's just a relic of the past and unusable in all significance. I wish you could 'reforge' those -- I'm not sure how many dozens of CD runs I'll have to do to get something that nice again.

[spider-prime]

Please, please please please, don't make this new event about getting randomly dropped items and needing a certain amount that barely drops. Humongous Eggs made me cry myself to sleep every night. I only got 2 my entire time playing! I quit my job to farm them!... granted my family owns the place I work, so I am allowed to do that :)

[elmo]

Good thing you always save 2 good swords. Does the fix apply to polearm? It's been waiting awhile to get upped

[MustangPirate69]

So my super legendary monk still couldn't make it to a trouble area in time to repair or kill ogres wiping out defenses? Back to the ninja I guess.

[gamer22]

nope polearm not fixed still same damage per upgrade

i think it works by getting a new polearm which is bull**** saved mine for nothing it already took a while to get rewarded one

can anyone confirm that has gotten a ultimate polearm post patch 7.42

[Fictorious]

I love this patch, thank you Trendy. <3

[omnix32]

How hard is it to get a new pole arm? It seems the Ults we have need to be sold and we have to obtain new ones. That is fine since all that drops in AQ is Ult spears/Pikes/and whatever crap. It's not uncommon to have 3 Ult spear drops in AQ.... It is frustrating as I am thinking a nice Supreme armor drop in their place would be better.

Also, you can get nice ults just doing SkyCity solo without HC on if like me you don't always make a successful jump off that boss ship. I have gotten several nice ults just soloing this. To bad they are worthless now, but won't be hard to get again.

If you need mana for upgrades, just split your screens and farm it. It's still a long process though to fully upgrade an ult doing this, but it is somewhat faster.

great patch I think, I have yet tested.

[gamer22]

it not about how hard it is to get it

its the chances of getting another good one ive got bad luck mostly and get alot of crappy ones

[omnix32]

gamer22

Well, yesterday's run... I got a steamsaw upgradeable to 14........ then again at 26........then one at 110 or something. Even playing split screen with 3 characters I got 6 very crappy seahorses. I see your point in that. However, I have gotten several nice Ults which I guess are worthless now since they have fixed the damage scale.

It is been said that playing HC produces better.......... I don't find that to be true a lot of times.

Testing AQ before getting D/C'ed again........................ I did not notice any improvements.... same crap dropping... One trans that was crap at wave 13. Could not check the Seahorses because I got DC'ed at wave 19.

So if things are better....... I have not seen it to up to wave 19.

[Bukkake]

Ulti saws upgrades were broken before this patch?

[omnix32]

I know the kings stuff was suspect, and can only assume the Sky City Ults also did not scale as well. Would like to know which Ults were fixed myself. I just deleted all my Ult Sea Spears and Ult Steam saws.

[Retl]

I'm thrilled about being able to more easily switch between my characters with the change in characters per page. Can't wait to take a crack at it. (Can't wait to check out what my Huntress is like now, either!)

[alidan]

can someone explain what level 90-93 adds to the game?
i stopped actively playing a while ago, mostly due to frustration of doing the same levels over and over again, rarely getting anything worth looking at.

what i want to know is did they cut off the rng they use for level 1-92 than once you hit 93 they put you in a different drop segment with myth-ultimate all requiring 93 but have far better stats?

or is this just a new top tier loot category?

also what are the exp requirements from 91-93?

if i get back into the game, it will be a decideing factor on how this is handled, and how long it will take me to get to 93 from 88 or 89

[Ice]

Is that Trap Damage or Hero Damage or Both?

Just Hero Damage was upped so she's more back into the role of DPS hero like she was before the Monk Hero Boost Boost that pretty much made her obsolete.

[TitoDaddy]

Thank you for everything you do, Trendy!

[Ikulity]

nope polearm not fixed still same damage per upgrade

i think it works by getting a new polearm which is bull**** saved mine for nothing it already took a while to get rewarded one

can anyone confirm that has gotten a ultimate polearm post patch 7.42 I got 2 Ultimate polearms on my 1st kings game run on 7.42 the 2nd one was 93 wep.

[omnix32]

alidan

i stopped actively playing a while ago, mostly due to frustration of doing the same levels over and over again, rarely getting anything worth looking at.

Yes, What alidan said above... Been farming for 5 weeks hours a day and my tower STR has only gotten just a little bit better. I would really like to survive Talay to wave 30 and start looking at Crystal Dim.. Also can't seem to make it past wave 22 in SkyCity. My Towers just don't have it in them yet at 3.2 damages (All)

I would rather have seen more trans armor drops where I could switch out some lower ones. It seems someone got a level 93 weapon, but the map is always covered with weapons and no armor... That is what I wanted to change.

anyone know if Armor drops or at least quality have improved?

anyone know what Ults where changed?

I did find a trans doing boss ship just a moment ago..... Never had a trans drop during that. A fluke? Or the patch making things better?

If I don't get DC'ed again (Steams Fault last time) I will try to check wave 30 of AQ....

have fun.

[Philzo]

Please fix the minimum join Level!


Edit: think its done, thx

[Softspokenman]

Weapon types which had a lower Ultimate damage boost per level than Transcendent damage boost per level have been fixed, Ultimate is now at least as good per Upgrade as Transcendent in all cases. (is not backwards compatible to pre-existing Equipment however)

just looking for some clarity here . when you say " is not backwards compatible to pre-existing Equipment however" do you mean items that have been upgraded or do you mean all items even if you never upgraded them . just want to be sure before I waste a few billion mana

[Winterbraid]

Just Hero Damage was upped so she's more back into the role of DPS hero like she was before the Monk Hero Boost Boost that pretty much made her obsolete.

Sadly this changes nothing because Monk, Barbarian, EV still have more HP, more DPS, more everything. Problem is not in one stat ramp or another, problem is that a few classes do everything better than the rest as DPS.

If anyone disagrees with me, go play Boss Rush NMHC with a Monk, then with a Barbarian, then with a Squire, an Apprentice, an Initiate, then with a Huntress. Tell me how it went, how long it took, whether it was equally difficult with each of those classes.

[Dingle]

DDDK update please!

I want to know exactly what the "Better loot at 93" means.

Also on the ultimate damage per upgrade not being backwards compatible, why not change the damage increase check to something like this (variables not necessarily the ones used in the code, being a little lazy):
quality>15 && ultimateDamagePerUpgrade > DamagePerUpgrade ? ultimateDamagePerUpgrade : DamagePerUpgrade
That would at least retroactively fix past weapons to have Ultimate damage per upgrade at least the same as regular damage, even if it doesn't update them to the new Ultimate damage. Though it might not fix weapons which have already been upgraded.

Ed: According to a PM conversation I just had, the change is retroactive in terms of damage per upgrade. It's only failed to affect damage increases from upgrades that were applied before the patch (i.e. Pre-patch Ultimates upgrade at the fixed Ultimate rate now, but if you upgraded them at the broken rate, those upgrades haven't been affected at all)

[Softspokenman]

I have been playing with my lvl 93 hero and have not noticed any change in loot for the better
does every one your playing with need to be lvl 93 also to get the better loot?

[ManeFlame]

My Ranger is ready....er.

[CrzyRndm]

DDDK update please!

I want to know exactly what the "Better loot at 93" means.
This.

Also, just DDDK (TC) update. Being so far behind is really starting to get annoying for testing things.

[sandbagr]

Just Hero Damage was upped so she's more back into the role of DPS hero like she was before the Monk Hero Boost Boost that pretty much made her obsolete.

Good to know. Thanks for the reply. :)

[omnix32]

Does not seem the Update Helps in much anything. No clarification in what we have Asked. I can tell you that I have been playing all day and the Armor drops still suck.

the few extra points in stats I don't care about to 93 and the more characters per page to select from to help with time matches makes me grateful enough.

Now if I had more trans armor to sort though and not a map full of junk weapons. No, just playing summoners don't seem to help.


Winterbraid



If anyone disagrees with me, go play Boss Rush NMHC with a Monk, then with a Barbarian, then with a Squire, an Apprentice, an Initiate, then with a Huntress. Tell me how it went, how long it took, whether it was equally difficult with each of those classes.

Your sort of confusing here. Why would you use an Apprentice or Squire to do Boss rush??? That don't make sense unless your just extremely good.

A monk is a great choice, but you act as if he is not. I don't understand that also because a Monk can massively boost a couple Barb's to do mega damage. Boss rush does not have great rewards, so what difference does it make in what Character you use?

We are talking about the patch here, and Huntress/Hunter did get a major boost. We want to know exactly what changed, what ults were changed and can we expect better armor, or just crap 93 level weapons.

[CrzyRndm]

Why would you use an Apprentice or Squire to do Boss rush??? That don't make sense unless your just extremely good.

He's trying to say that the classes are still wildly unbalanced in terms of usability as DPS characters. Monk/Barb are still top of the table, with jester and squire coming a distant second (followed by pretty much everything else another massive jump back...). Unless huntress piercing shot gets a massive buff, she'll only be of use with ridiculous auto DPS

Boss rush does not have great rewards, so what difference does it make in what Character you use?
???

Boss rush (with a bit of luck) is one of the easiest places to get high end armour and the best Jester weapon out

[Halagren]

* Raised level cap to 93 along with slightly better high-end item randomization possibility (which requires 93), in preparation for upcoming Event


it's already been asked for but again so that maybe a dev will take the time to answer it. WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN? currently it is CONFIRMED that the RNG is setup in such a way that items OVER ROLL into negative stats. so any increase you make would just increase the chance for items to roll negative and thus defeating the purpose.

that statement is so vague that it doesnt tell us if you actually fixed anything at all regarding item drops. if you really just made an increase to quality chance we will see absolutely ZERO effect whatsoever due to what i already stated. Trendy has already confirmed that items over roll and claimed they cant fix it so im just trying to understand the purpose of what you posted in the patch notes. PLEASE correct me and say you actually fixed something about the loot.

edit: i realize i used the term over roll, just to clarify i understand how the go negative check actually works on stats over 150 and i still use the term over rolling. if you do not know what im referring to look at ANY post Dingle made in the following thread: http://forums.trendyent.com/showthread.php?77597-We-all-know-RNG-is-100-broken-so-why-not-rant-about-it

[omnix32]

CrzyRndm
I never noticed "High End Armor" Not sure what you mean by that. We get a crap bird and crap weapon when doing boss rush compared to pwn shot, Monk Wrench, steam saw. Well the bird is not full crap, but not as good as some seahorse drops.

Jester Weapon? The Jester can hold any weapon. I would say the app weapon "Eagle" is the most awesome app challenge weapon, but it's not really all that awesome compared to some other weapons the Jester can hold.


Halagren

That Article is spot on.......... thank you for the link... Before DLC there were tons of great Godly to pick from all over in armor drops. It seems adding the Nightmare that Trendy did not have the programming skill and foreknowledge to figure out the armor drops. Even in this patch I see DPS addressed but not the Armor issues. I just don't make sense. If I wanted DPS, I would be playing WoW.

I can find myth to be honest to get to 3K tower stats. One would think finding trans then would get you to an easy 4K tower stats, but good luck with that. Most trans drops are horrible and I don't need another ult, sup, trans sea spear/pike whatever.

[CrzyRndm]

CrzyRndm
I never noticed "High End Armor" Not sure what you mean by that. We get a crap bird and crap weapon when doing boss rush compared to pwn shot, Monk Wrench, steam saw. Well the bird is not full crap, but not as good as some seahorse drops.

Jester Weapon? The Jester can hold any weapon. I would say the app weapon "Eagle" is the most awesome app challenge weapon, but it's not really all that awesome compared to some other weapons the Jester can hold.
A) The thread halagren linked explains why most things are crap. The quality multiplier on Boss rush rewards is second only to Palantir rewards (as shown by the damage of any weapon/pet you get from those two places). BR is the easiest of the two places to farm sup/ult pets (for towers obv, as it dosent give shards pets). I was also not referring to the weapons, just armour/pets

B) Show me another weapon that can do 35M phys tav DPS completely unboosted on a jester (no cat/monk). Ult classics are crazy

[omnix32]

CrzyRndm

Well, Sadly my Eagle was upgradable to 26, but I did get a 400 stat bird out of the deal, and had not one stat been nerfed I would have kept him....... So, I have not tested honestly.


Anyone Notice a Change In Difficulty doing AQ, or Sky City Survival? I just got creamed wave 26 on AQ first time I got to test it. 3 Ogres came in.. One hit my wall and 2 hit all my archers... That was on two crystals at the same time and that has never happened. Testing one more time with only one Character, and If I can't very easy make it to wave 30, then Trendy did some stupid crap that is not mentioned in the Patch Notes.

[Lianad]

CrzyRndm
Anyone Notice a Change In Difficulty doing AQ, or Sky City Survival? I just got creamed wave 26 on AQ first time I got to test it. 3 Ogres came in.. One hit my wall and 2 hit all my archers... That was on two crystals at the same time and that has never happened. Testing one more time with only one Character, and If I can't very easy make it to wave 30, then Trendy did some stupid crap that is not mentioned in the Patch Notes.

Funny you mention that, because yes I did notice something. I've run AQNMHC to wave 30 over a hundred times now, start wave 18, and basically afk it with 2 active summoners. Just come back between waves to toss a flash heal for each aura and hit G to move on.

I played with my standard build last night after the patch. And I was having sharks push my walls at two different crystals around wave 26. That hasn't happened since I was first starting out. Assumed maybe it was just bad timing/luck on my part. But now that you mention that, it makes me wonder if maybe they did inadvertently break something else when trying to adjust something unrelated (wouldn't be first time).

I guess I'll need to run it a few more times and see what happens. It very well could have been a fluke.

[omnix32]

Lianad

I was wave 26, and monk boosting an Ele aura to kill all the Shaken and such caught in gas trap. All clear, Sharken dying along with everything else.. then 3 big Ogres come stomping through. I got hit once and my monk died, then my wall got knocked down in two hits, then my Archers all got cleaned completely.

Mind you I was tower boosting at 2K and have 3.2K archers and 3.3K turret damage.

I was like... WTF and flew dead to get a better view of what just happened and what Hit me once and killed me. Normally only a Goblin copter blowing up on me kills me in one hit. I can take several hits from Ogres.

My first Crystal the same.. I saw 3 ogres come in and just take my wall down as If I had not even placed one and cleared out my archers quickly. 2.5 K tower health on a fully upgraded wall.

So in two spots all at once I get face rolled, and like you I have done wave 30 many times... I did have 2 other characters on split screen though leveling, but that should not have really mattered as both were my tower builders with bonus.

I have no way to get any armor now to deal with whatever happened and will most likely stop playing this. How can start up company make such a awesome and polished game, then all of a sudden become morons? It just don't make sense.. Normally it talks longer than this to watch game makers become stupid after making a great game.

Look at Sword of the stars... the last one was a joke as if kids made it for a school project...Yet the others were just awesome....

I guess Trendy has some of world record they are going for in this dept.


EDIT:

After testing, I can no longer support 4 characters. I did manage to make it to wave 30 with just 2.

The Loot is better as the sale was higher than avg.. the issue is you find higher upgrades with crap numbers.
Both Treadmills had minus 100 all tower stats....

4 test.............. Crushed on 3............... only one trans staff that may be a little better than what my tower Monk has now.

No supreme drops............for armor... several ULT junk Spears though.

Trendy has done nothing to help with Armor but change a few number around.

have fun.

[Softspokenman]

Do the people at trendy even play this game or do they just crunch numbers on a note pad and say "yah that should work"
I really don't understand how they are so out of touch with their own game

[ArcticWP]

I think it's set up fairly well tbh. I myself hate how sup/ult armour is so hard to get.

However, maybe this is for the best? The only thing keeping me playing is to get better armour for all my chars, at the moment. If I could easily find plenty of ult armour, then I'd probably stop playing DD :(

[Softspokenman]

relying or peoples ocd rather than fun seems a bad plan for a game to me

[NightUndead]

However, maybe this is for the best? The only thing keeping me playing is to get better armour for all my chars, at the moment. If I could easily find plenty of ult armour, then I'd probably stop playing DD :(
And then there's the other side of the coin. I can't find the fun in playing anymore because it takes me so long to get even 1 upgrade for my gear, that I can't justify (IMO) the time spent.

[Halagren]

I think it's set up fairly well tbh. I myself hate how sup/ult armour is so hard to get.

However, maybe this is for the best? The only thing keeping me playing is to get better armour for all my chars, at the moment. If I could easily find plenty of ult armour, then I'd probably stop playing DD :(

the problem arctic is that sup/ult armor is essentially impossible to get without hacking. you say you'd prolly quit if you started getting upgrades. ive almost entirely stopped playing because ive realized that i will never be able to find upgrades for myself. i run full wave 30 nmhcmm on sky city or aquanos and over my last 500 hours of gameplay, ive found ONE ultimate armor upgrade. that's not bad luck, and that's not rng is random. in those 500 hours ive received 3 supreme armor pieces and 4 ultimate armor pieces. all 3 supremes were worse than mythicals. 3 outta 4 of the ult armors were also worse than mythical gear.

so yea you say youd quit if you could find the armor? i say 500 hours for one upgrade is a much more suitable reason to wanna quit lol.

EDIT: oh one other thing. it's SO rare that i dont even wanna play with other people when i play cuz what if a piece of ult armor drops? ive gotten roughly 1 ult armor per 100 hours of farming and if someone else is there then THEY might get it.....it is much more FUN to play with others and unfortunately i feel like i cant really do that. and since im here to have fun.........

[sandbagr]

relying or peoples ocd rather than fun seems a bad plan for a game to me

I guess that explains why I LIKE the level grinding.
Who needs Prozac?

[CrzyRndm]

...
I've entirely given up on farming for upgrades now just b/c of how rare they are. I play for the challenge only now.

If Trendy updates TC's to the current state of the game, you know I won't be playing on ranked any more b/c I have fixed almost everything that is truly frustrating about the current rewards.

Even if Trendy only fixed rollovers on upgrades, it would make a huge difference to the state of the endgame. No longer would NM aqua reward 1/1-1/20 seahorses 90% of the time. No longer would W25+ be worse than the 5 waves prior. At least part of whats killing it for me is Insane giving better rewards than NM, and that 1 piece of code is responsible for all of that.

[Jonzor]

I've entirely given up on farming for upgrades now just b/c of how rare they are. I play for the challenge only now.

If Trendy updates TC's to the current state of the game, you know I won't be playing on ranked any more b/c I have fixed almost everything that is truly frustrating about the current rewards.

Even if Trendy only fixed rollovers on upgrades, it would make a huge difference to the state of the endgame. No longer would NM aqua reward 1/1-1/20 seahorses 90% of the time. No longer would W25+ be worse than the 5 waves prior. At least part of whats killing it for me is Insane giving better rewards than NM, and that 1 piece of code is responsible for all of that.

That's what I love about the RNG. It's not.

Random would mean that you find awesome stuff as often as terrible stuff. But item rollover fixes that... it's not random if the REALLY good items get tossed back into the system and always come out terrible. All of a sudden, it's less "random" and more "Awful Number Generator". It's hard enough to get the RNG to spit out good items, but when it TRIES to give you something good and the poor coding that Trendy won't touch ruins it... now it's even less likely you'll find something useful.

But we can't touch the RNG. We can't ruin the balance/progression that's performing SO well...

[Cipher]

B) Show me another weapon that can do 35M phys tav DPS completely unboosted on a jester (no cat/monk). Ult classics are crazy

pretty much any weapon upgraded in elemental damage can equal the crested, and yes you might say it's elemental, but combine it with a bloodshot or bone staff and voila, got yourself a very nice weapon (even for end game players)

my bloodshot can do the 35 mil from a distance, the crested i have can only do that from up close ^^

Cipher

[ryebread761]

Whens it coming to Mac already? :(

[marioemtec87]

when it comes out this patch in the appstore? I'm standing at 7.40