Do Trans Giraffes exist?

[Theevilmrdark]

Because I got this one, and it was hilarious even at mythical.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Infestedrayman/screenshot/596970339672812390

He cannot even reach max level ><

Was just curious if trans ones exist, or if mythical is best for giraffes.

[DeltaDefender]

you can't get any quality on them as far as I'm aware. that one's not myth.

[Theevilmrdark]

you can't get any quality on them as far as I'm aware. that one's not myth.
Oh, I just assumed since it capped at 360 when upgrading any stat, like a mythical item did.

[Andy]

that's... the best giraffe iv ever seen..

[Dingle]

By my calculations using the values in DDDK's quality formula, that giraffe is well above supreme's minimum.

Now, there are 3 possible reasons for this not being supreme:

1) Giraffes simply can't be Transcendent or better (I can check this in DDDK after I post)
2) You got this from a map that can't ever produce Transcendent or better items (any Insane or lower difficulty, but even Deeper Well's confirmed to be able to drop Trans pets on NM)
3) You tavern-spawned this in DDDK. Tavern can't drop Trans or Supreme items if you drop them in DDDK, because it isn't NM difficulty. In fact, because DDDK has no NM, I don't think Trans/Supreme items can drop naturally in our version at all (though you can still create them if you know how).

Anyways, I'll check if Giraffe has a "No Transcendent" tag in DDDK.

Edit: So I checked out the giraffe in DDDK, and I've come to 3 conclusions:

1) There's no tag directly on the Giraffe's file which could prevent it from being Transcendent
2) There's a tag on the kismet script which spawns giraffes which specifies "Allow Transcendent"
3) That tag even exists on Easy difficulty, if you somehow get a giraffe with over 30k quality

That last one might be directly overridden by the NM code which normally prevents spawning Trans items, but the first two combine to say that actually, nothing in NM should stop a giraffe from being Trans/Supreme except simply not having high enough stats.

And OP's giraffe has around double the stats needed to be Transcendent (it comes to around 59k quality where Transcendent needs 30k and Supreme needs 39k)

Anyways, DDDK's item randomizer can't naturally make Trans/Supreme items. If you made your Giraffe using that, that's why it's not Trans/Supreme.

[Theevilmrdark]

The Giraffe was a Reward I got from doing Aquanos NMHC Survival (non mixed), actually.

[Dingle]

They might've forgotten to tick the "Allow Transcendent" tag on that stage for giraffes. Can't imagine why, if they just copied the standard kismet...

Eternia Shards DLC maps aren't in DDDK, so I can't check that - but I'll just state again, that giraffe should by all means be Supreme.

The formula used to determine quality from hero stats is
(Sum of Positive Hero Stats * 9) - (Sum of Negative Hero Stats * 9 * 1.4)

In your Giraffe's case, (360*3 + 400*5 - 85) * 9 = 26955

The formula used to determine quality bonus from upgrade levels is (Potential upgrades) ^ 0.15

In your Giraffe's case, 242 ^ 0.15 = 2.278

26955 * 2.278 = 61403.49

Minimum quality for Transcendent = 30000
Minimum quality for Supreme = 39000

Obviously, I left out the stats Giraffes simply don't have. Pretty much every stat except Resistance has some weirdness involved with how it's calculated, though.

[Theevilmrdark]

They might've forgotten to tick the "Allow Transcendent" tag on that stage for giraffes. Can't imagine why, if they just copied the standard kismet...

Eternia Shards DLC maps aren't in DDDK, so I can't check that - but I'll just state again, that giraffe should by all means be Supreme.

The formula used to determine quality from hero stats is
(Sum of Positive Hero Stats * 9) - (Sum of Negative Hero Stats * 9 * 1.4)

In your Giraffe's case, (360*3 + 400*5 - 85) * 9 = 26955

The formula used to determine quality bonus from upgrade levels is (Potential upgrades) ^ 0.15

In your Giraffe's case, 242 ^ 0.15 = 2.278

26955 * 2.278 = 61403.49

Minimum quality for Transcendent = 30000
Minimum quality for Supreme = 39000

Obviously, I left out the stats Giraffes simply don't have. Pretty much every stat except Resistance has some weirdness involved with how it's calculated, though.

My brain hurts.

[Dingle]

Did a double-take on Giraffes, apparently pets can have a different quality requirement for Trans/Supreme.

Giraffe still gets Trans at 30k quality, so yours should still be at least Trans. However, they need 84k quality to hit Supreme. That is... according to preliminary calculations, almost impossible (max spawn quality for a giraffe is 84591, and if the Giraffe doesn't get allowed to be Transcendent, the stats on it get clamped down to 400 anyways...)

There... shouldn't be anything stopping a Giraffe from being Trans at the stats a giraffe should be Trans at (even all 200's with 200 or so ups should be Trans)

So I imagine there's either an accidental tag preventing Aquanos survival from dropping Trans giraffes, or some sort of weird bug.

If your giraffe's legit, this needs a Trendy confirmation that Aquanos should/shouldn't be dropping Trans giraffes.

[Theevilmrdark]

Ahh, I was just curious since they seem to be raising the stat caps on a lot of things, seems weird for giraffes to be left in the dust.

[Darkman_0]

I've never seen a quality tag in the item description for giraffes. Not even mythical. The myth thing may be implied by the upgrade cap though, I kind of forgot what the cap for godlies is. I doubt it's an aquanos specific thing though, as not a single map that has given me a giraffe has shown a tag on the giraffe.

[The Clone]

Make a new character and look at the level requirement.

[ManaCorporation]

that's... the best giraffe iv ever seen..

Wow... I want it.

[Dingle]

I've never seen a quality tag in the item description for giraffes. Not even mythical. The myth thing may be implied by the upgrade cap though, I kind of forgot what the cap for godlies is. I doubt it's an aquanos specific thing though, as not a single map that has given me a giraffe has shown a tag on the giraffe.
Unless there's a tag I'm missing which prevents the description from generating with Mythical/Tran/Supreme in it, there's no reason giraffes shouldn't at least be getting Mythical - the description additions are hardcoded in. There's nothing to stop them generating at Mythical, either. For giraffes, no quality except Trans/Supreme actually matters, but... they should be allowed to get there. The point of the giraffe is that it's a stat stick. Denying them stat rolls that other functional pets can get is removing the point of giraffes altogether.

Anyways, Godlies actually have all the same limits as Mythicals - the only difference between Godly and Mythical is the set bonus and pets getting bonus damage from hero Damage. Of course, Mythical needs a higher overall base quality to exist, but it follows all the same stat generation/upgrade rules as Godly. Not like Trans/Supreme, which have no generator cap, get bonus levels after generation and can upgrade further.

[nikodareus]

I've found many, many giraffes on different levels with plenty of +400s like the one the OP posted. Never one above 400 (I.e. Trans/Supreme) There is something there that prevents them from upgrading. I imagine Trendy wasn't terribly aware of it either because without trans/supreme giraffes the uber-end-wave reward isn't all that uber anymore.

[DrGoon]

drop it on tavern floor and look at the color of the dot on overlay

[nikodareus]

drop it on tavern floor and look at the color of the dot on overlay
It doesnt matter how many different ways people provide to tell if an item is mythical/transcendant/supreme, Giraffes still ARE NOT... I've been playing the game for 6 months. I know all of this. I have 4 giraffes RIGHT NOW in my item box with all positives and 4~6 +400s and not a single one of them is mythical. Not a single one requires more than level 70. Not a single one has a colored dot. Thank you for your input, though.

Giraffes CAN NOT spawn mythical+.

[Dingle]

It doesnt matter how many different ways people provide to tell if an item is mythical/transcendant/supreme, Giraffes still ARE NOT... I've been playing the game for 6 months. I know all of this. I have 4 giraffes RIGHT NOW in my item box with all positives and 4~6 +400s and not a single one of them is mythical. Not a single one requires more than level 70. Not a single one has a colored dot. Thank you for your input, though.

Giraffes CAN NOT spawn mythical+.

Yeah, not sure what's going on with Giraffes, but they're not spawning mythical at all. I can make one mythical in DDDK, and it gets the usual mythical tag and map dot - so it's not like we're all getting mythical giraffes that just don't have the tag on them. A normal mythical giraffe says "MYTHICAL" like any other mythical pet.

And I'm not even sure why - there's no tag that I know of that prevents something from reaching mythical quality, even if there is one for stopping things from being trans.

Edit: Found it. Giraffes have the bUseLevelRequirementOverrides tag, which skips to a different method of quality rating which only goes up to godly quality and uses the quality randomizer for the roll rather than the actual quality, and is used primarily to work out the equip level of the giraffe.

So giraffes can't be mythical or above because Mythical, Transcendent and Supreme simply aren't on their quality table to begin with. I can only imagine this was to prevent Giraffes from always having a level requirement of 70 even from Easy back before Nightmare was introduced, but now it just hurts them.

Request to Trendy - make some sort of compromise that lets giraffes reach Supreme. They're stat pets. They need the same possibility of high stats as pets that have a use other than stats.

[What]

Agreed. I currently use a Giraffe on my EV Waller, but when I find a decent thp Seahorse, I'm ditching that Giraffe. I'd love to use Giraffes on my non-active builders for stats.