"New" leveling method with guide. No glitterhelm :)

[iphex]

I did this guide, because I didn't see anybody doing one and some people still may not know this. As for the EU server, nearly everbody I see online is "trying" to do this one, because you can easily level without any problems. So I thought, why not share it with the players on the other side too?

There will be a short and long version.

Short version: Do Mistymire Insane with 4 people. Everyone takes a lane, don't build, don't let the crystal be attacked, and don't get hurt. Only do the first wave, and restart it when you're finished with the wave.
This gives approximately 180,000 experience per run.

- Mistymore Insane with 4 people
- Everyone takes 1 lane
- No building/getting hit/crystal getting hit
- 1st wave only

Long version:

Who should use this guide?

This guide is for everbody, who has problems with Glitter or Morrago and cant level the way other players can. If you can barely solo glitter i recommend you this guide. You dont even need that kind of "uber" gear. If you do 5-10k Dps it will be enough to survive this.

Which Map?

The map is Mistymire Forest on Insane.

Why?

The map is relatively easy and gives a lot of experience with very little risk, since there won't be any orges, spiders, or wyverns in the first wave.

What do we get doing this?

You can get up to 200k exp for every run of 1 wave. 1 wave takes about 60 seconds, which means if you're fast enough you can get 200k exp each minute.

On the other hand, 1 glitterhelm insane run takes around 15 min and yields approximately 1.5 to 2mil exp solo. 200k per minute for 15 minutes is 3mil, an overall gain over Glitterhelm Caverns.

Why do we get so much exp?

Simple. Multipliers. You get multipliers in Dungeon defenders if you achieve certain goals in a wave. There are 3 main multipliers:

No Crystal Damage = 1.3x
No Player Damage = 1.3x
Only Weapons Used = 1.3x
These three DO stack, giving up to 2.197 times the amount of experience!

As for the base experience to get multiplied, this primarily comes from the time you take to complete the wave. A faster time will give more experience, so be hasty! The other sources of base experience are completing the round, and killing monsters during gameplay.

How are we going to acomplish this?

As mentioned before, only play through the first wave. Don't build towers, and avoid letting any monsters reach the core. Oh, and try not to take any damage! After wave 1, restart, and do it all again. It's recommended to attempt this with four players (One for each lane). Four players will bring 360 monsters in the first wave.


Here is the "build". Please take a look into the notes in the bottom right screen of cubicleninja to UNDERSTAND the "build"
http://html5.cubicleninja.com/cubicl...m?layout=28721
DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. YOU DONT NEED TO BUILD ANYTHING.

I copied the notes in here too, so there wont be any misunderstanding.



Player1=Red trap, App wall=his chests
Player2=Green trap, App Magic Missle=his chests
Player3=Orange trap, App Fireball turrent=his chests
Player4=Blue trap, Lighting tower=his chests

Traps = Where the players should stand.
The Towers mean which player gets which chest.

A lot dps isn't needed; a crystal tracker with 1k base damage or a Blasticus with 700 to 1000 damage should be plenty.

I prefer to do this with Huntress, but a fast Squire, a tower-based Monk, or Apprentice with a good weapon should also get the job done. Happy leveling!


Now you know the general concept I will now tell you the "Ins and Outs":

The game starts; The players taking the bottom and bottom-right lanes near the Bridge crystal (bottom one) jump at that crystal and activate it. Go straight to your lane.
At the same time, the player who is going to take the top-right lane jumps and activates the crystal on his way for no time loss.
The last guy, who is going to take the top-left lane, will turn around at his spawn and activate the crystal behind him on his way to his lane.
Once you finish off the last of the monsters, wait until all the exp is counted and have the host restart the game immediately. Repeat the above steps.

Times (And approximate scores):


53 seconds = 150k exp.
50 seconds = 175k exp.
Best time: 49 seconds.
Time to open the menu and restart: 2 seconds.
Time for skipping cutscenes: Approximately 3 seconds.
Time for chests: 10-15 seconds.
One run can be achieved quite easily within 55 seconds.


So that's how you do it!

Here's some pros and cons for this method:


Pros:

- Fast experience with a low chance of failure.

- You can level with your friends easily.

- Easy to explain over voice comms.

- You can do other things at the same time.

- No need to repair.

Cons:

- Can only level one character per person.

- You won't get any drops.

- US players who freeze have problems doing this.

- Can get boring.



You may change this guide as you want and give me tips or correct me in terms of info and spelling because I am german and my main languange is not english. The real reason why I do this, is to improve my english. Even tho I stand grade A in english, I still think that alot of improvement can be done so help me with it If you have question feel free to ask me.
I would appreciate it if you could take some of your time to write a review, but please keep it civil if you have something to criticize.

Thanks for taking your time, to read my guide.

Credits go for happyguy3216 who had a "guide" to it which I didnt notice up until he wrote it down. Also please note that my guide is not based on his.
http://forums.trendyent.com/showthre...t=happyguy3216


What I or others added or edited/changed: 29.4.12 - did some overall changes to the guide. Nothing realy new.
same day: added the Small version also i added the extra fast way and some random info.

30.4.12 : Added some Cons and pros. Also some more side-infos have been added. Alot more spelling and sentences structure fixes.

3.5.12 : I want to thank AngelHavoc and Batly from the Dungeon Defender Wiki community for taking their time to edit my guide and make it even better. It is now alot easier to read and understand. They edited alot of my spelling mistakes and made my sentence structure correct. I have compared my old guide to this and I am going to try to learn from my mistakes.

8.5.12 : Until now I didnt notice me saying xx.xx.11 in the credits then xx.xx.12 . Changed that :).

Contentwise 100% is done.

This guide is also able to be read at the Dungeon Defenders Wiki.
http://dungeondefenders.wikia.com/wiki/%28Guide%29Console_Insane_Mistymire_4-player_farming_200k_per_min_%28very_easy%29

[Psykopat]

nice guide man, can you do some runs with me?

[iphex]

nice guide man, can you do some runs with me?

Are you in the Eu servers for ps3? just add me and when I have time later I can do some runs.

[Psykopat]

ye ofc

[mcwolves71]

Yea lots of people have posTed about this, but very well written guide.

[iphex]

Yea lots of people have posTed about this, but very well written guide.

You know who came up with this idea? So i can give him some credits :)

[mcwolves71]

Not really no, but here is an idea. How much xp does morrago gv first wave? It even has an ogre

[CKGxJAY]

The only problem about lvling in misty is the time it consumes. I think you can do glitterhelm 2 to 3 times in the time it takes to do misty mire this could be wrong ill give it a check though. this could be added to the con list

[mcwolves71]

The only problem about lvling in misty is the time it consumes. I think you can do glitterhelm 2 to 3 times in the time it takes to do misty mire this could be wrong ill give it a check though. this could be added to the con list

Don't think you read the OP.

[Bloodshade]

yes i do mistymire too :), mmm i want to try in moraggo insane 1st wave, but gets kicked everytime xD, have you tried on it? maybe u get more exp. and it can be done "mostly" the same, you know, each one protects 1 crystal (the 2 crystals from the bottom, the crystal from the "river" and the crystal near a stairs "this one is harder to protect i guess"), i don't know how much exp you get in moraggo though, if you try it, can u tell us if its better than misty?

[CKGxJAY]

Don't think you read the OP.

I skimmed through it :)

[iphex]

I skimmed through it :)
you could have atleast read the "small" version of it :)

[iphex]

As for Morrago.. I do not own the Dlc. Why? well i have 3.50 Euro at my acc and i need 3.99 :( :( :(

Well it should be possible for morrago 4 man, but it would be alot harder, because you have an orge who consumes alot of time if your not strong enough to under 5 hit him with PS.
I would be happy if someb can alteast give me some Info about morrago and the method of doing the first wave there. Until the 15th may I cannot do any standalone guide for morrago.

Still misty is alot easier for low players with low dps.

[mcwolves71]

Morrago would be a bit tougher since there are 5 entrances

[tripletriplehh]

Well Mc, 1 person can take the 2 bottom sides and the other 3 can take the 3 spawns on top.. You wanna try later?

[iphex]

Didnt knew it had 5 enteraces. But as I said it will take alot more time and it will be harder. Maybe even less exp because you need more time.

[dRuNkEn TiGeR]

Well Mc, 1 person can take the 2 bottom sides and the other 3 can take the 3 spawns on top.. You wanna try later?

precisely trip, you just gotta use the appropriate weapons right. let's test this out.
side note: funny we have yet to get a game in for the last 3 months we've known each other and we play with same ppl lol i'll send my psn id :)

[iphex]

precisely trip, you just gotta use the appropriate weapons right. let's test this out.
side note: funny we have yet to get a game in for the last 3 months we've known each other and we play with same ppl lol i'll send my psn id :)

Thank you. I would appreciate it if you can post me your Exp rewards in terms of time, bonuses, wave completion. Probably a perfect run of the first wave would be nice.

[EdoMindTricKs]

My consistent runs on glittrhelm give me 2.3mil in about 8 min for the huntress.. 200k/min * 8 = 1.6mil if my math is correct.. glitterhelm gives me loot also.. the builder gets around 1.6 to 1.7mil

[Diablooffire03]

Just so you know you can solo misty first wave with 4 controllers and 4 good darkbots. 1 person positioned in each lane where tje robot will shoot through a tree/wall. That way your charector cant.get hit by an arrow. But nu doing that you get about 165k x4 in less than 2 min.

[mcwolves71]

Trip I tried with randoms and failed. Im sure me you yuni and simon should do it, but simon has a strict no xp farming policy. So I don't know who our 4th would be.

[specialK]

although it s a very nice guide and well written and bravo for that,

you can no longer get into a mistymire game without it restarting after the first wave
of course you are not to be blamed with that its just down to people and how they use these "shortcuts"
but it seems everybody is so "power hungry" they just want to get there, and forget about the trip

As you set out for Ithaka
hope the voyage is a long one,
full of adventure, full of discovery.
Laistrygonians and Cyclops,
angry Poseidon—don’t be afraid of them:
you’ll never find things like that on your way
as long as you keep your thoughts raised high,
as long as a rare excitement
stirs your spirit and your body.
Laistrygonians and Cyclops,
wild Poseidon—you won’t encounter them
unless you bring them along inside your soul,
unless your soul sets them up in front of you.

Hope the voyage is a long one.
May there be many a summer morning when,
with what pleasure, what joy,
you come into harbors seen for the first time;
may you stop at Phoenician trading stations
to buy fine things,
mo ther of pearl and coral, amber and ebony,
sensual perfume of every kind—
as many sensual perfumes as you can;
and may you visit many Egyptian cities
to gather stores of knowledge from their scholars.

Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you are destined for.
But do not hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you are old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you have gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.

Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you would not have set out.
She has nothing left to give you now.

And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you.
Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,
you will have understood by then what these Ithakas mean.

[mcwolves71]

Well I've found that post 1.03 the game freezes with 4 ppl so whY bother?

[CaptBoxershorts]

One thing i have to say, yes you may get .5 mil more with this every hour or so, but with glitter you get amazing gear.

[UltimateJorts]

i hate gliterhelm so this is really worth it to me!

[iphex]

One thing i have to say, yes you may get .5 mil more with this every hour or so, but with glitter you get amazing gear.. May i ask you how do even get nice Eq if you cant bother to open a chess because you need to repair everything if your not good enough??? This guide IS for people who arent that strong to beat glitter or morrago. You can get some low-end gear upto high-end if your lucky. That will be totaly enough to start glittering 4 players.

[CaptBoxershorts]

Anybody with stats above 200 can beat glitterhelm, its not that hard.
There are many guides on how to beat it.

[Yonathan Arredondo]

if this works out I´m gonna be alternating between soloing glitter and this. I do get kinda bored/exasperated just doing runs on glitter, but capt is right you do get great stuff if u don´t need to worry much about repairing.

[CaptBoxershorts]

if this works out I´m gonna be alternating between soloing glitter and this. I do get kinda bored/exasperated just doing runs on glitter, but capt is right you do get great stuff if u don´t need to worry much about repairing.
Get bored of glitter? I mean i think doing only the first wave of misty over and over and over will get extremely boring.

[CKGxJAY]

One thing i have to say, yes you may get .5 mil more with this every hour or so, but with glitter you get amazing gear.
i have to agree with capt i never get good stuff on mistymire compared to glitterhelm
and also anything gets boring after doing it multiple times. i would way rather be bored and get nice armor :apprentice:

[iphex]

Dude you dont actually have tiem to even open chests with 200 stats because you always need to repair. This guide is for people who have problems with Glitter or just need a way to get off Glitter for a while.

[happyguy3216]

OK first of all, I did this guide because I didnt saw anybody doing one and not many people know this.
As for the EU server nearly everbody I see online is "trying" to this one, because you can easily level without ANY problems.
So i though why not share it with the players on the other side too?

Keep in mind that my main languange is not english.


There will be a long version and a small version.

First the small version:
Do mistymire with 4 people everyb takes a lane dont build dont let crystal be attacked and dont get hurt.
Only do the first wave and restart it when your finished with the wave.
Be happy with 180k exp per 50 secs if you masterd this one.

Then lets get started. The long version:

Who should use this guide??
This guide is for everbody, who has problems with Glitter or Morrago and cant level the way other players can. If you can barely solo glitter i recommend you this guide. You dont even need that kind of "uber" gear. If you do 5-10k Dps it will be enough to survive this.
Map?
So the map where we are going to level is MISTYMIRE INSANE.
Why?
Well the map is easy and gives alot of exp without getting angry at fails because there wont be any orges nor spiders nor wywerns in the first wave.
What do we get doing this?
You "can" get up to 200k exp for every run of 1 wave. 1 wave takes about 60 secs, which means if your fast enough you can do 200k exp each minute.
On the other hand, 1 glitter run takes about 15 min and gives you ( if you do it the right way) about 1.5 to 2mil exp in solo (maybe a bit more).
Ok Lets sum up.
200k=1min/3mil=15min (NEVER FORGET THAT THIS IS THE PERFECT run.)
(If you need 1 min for each run but you fail a bit too, you will end up with about 150k=1min/2,25mil=15 min)
Why do we get so much exp?
Thats an easy question :). First of all you get MULTIPLIERS in Dungeon defenders if you archive certain things in a wave. There are 3 multipliers. They are all pretty self explainary so i will just list them.
No crystal dmg=1.3x
No player dmg =1.3x
Only weapons used=1.3x
These three DO stack.
Now as for that you still get the most exp from the time you need for completing the wave.
For example:
You complete a wave in 30 seconds in Mystymire and you will recieve 50k Exp. Thats 50k x 1.9 Bonus.
You complete a wave in 60 seconds in mystymire and you will recieve 25k Exp. Thats 25k x 1.9 Bonus
(these values may not be accurate, as these are just examples. You actualy get 150k for 60 secs with bonus)
You see that being faster means you recieve alot more exp.
Additional to that you recieve a bonus for completing the round. The bonus is always about 15k to 30k exp.
You will also recieve Exp for killing the mobs in your lane but that doesnt even benifit that much.(about 1k exp for each wave)
So it is very important to keep everything non hittet, but the main target is to complete the wave.

How are we going to acomplish this?
So what you basicly just do is, play the FIRST wave only. DONT BUILD ANYTHING, DONT LET YOU OR THE CRYSTAL DAMAGED. If your done and got all the exp and if you picked up all the chests, RESTART.
I recommend to do this one with 4 player, because without 4 your going to take crystal dmg.
With 4 players you fight 360 mobs and with 3 you fight againts 260 mobs. (doesnt mean its easier)
Here is the "build" please take a look into the notes in the bottom right screen of cubicleninja to UNDERSTAND the "build"
http://html5.cubicleninja.com/cubicleninja/html5/dd/index.htm?layout=28721

DONT MISUNDERSTAND YOU DONT NEED TO BUILD ANYTHING.

I copied the notes in here too, so there wont be any misunderstanding.

Now you know the "main" concept I will now tell you how to do it.
The game starts. The players who are going to take the lanes at the Bridge crystal (bottom one)
jump at that crystal and activate it. Directly go to your lane and kill the enimies.
At the same time the player who is going to take the top RIGHT lane is going to jump and activate the crystal on his way for no time loss.
And the last guy who is going to take the top LEFT lane will turn around at his spawn, and activate the crystal behind him on his way to his lane.
If your done killing all mobs, wait until all the exp is counted, now the host should directly RESTART the game. Now do the same over and over again.
Extra fast way: Same as before but you DONT take any chests. If the round ended and the score pointer is ready just redo it. Also do this one with friends, so that the communication is easier.

Some random info:
Scores for times:
53sec= ~150k exp bonus
Best time i needed: 49 secs wave time
Time for opening the menu and pressing on restart: 2sec.
Time for skipping cutscenes: 3 secs.
Time for chests: 10-15 secs. maybe a bit less if you only go for lane chests.
That means, if your fast enough you will need about 54 secs for 1 run.


OK now you know how to do it. So that i will now lists this leveling styles, Pros and Cons

Pros:
Fast exp without fails.
You can level with your friends easily.
Easy to understand once shown or told over mic.
You can do other things while you do this.
No annoying need to repair or such things.
low-end gear to get into Glitter for high-end gear.

Cons:

Only 1 player can be leveld at a time.
Some players who mutet everb could build something or even do nothing bla bla.
You dont get High-end eq (60+^)
US players who freeze have problems doing this.
Can get boring after a long time.(actually its the same for glitter :) )



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You may change this guide as you want and give me tips or correct me in terms of info and spelling because I am german and my main languange is not english :)
If you have question feel free to ask me.

Credits go for nobody sadly. I dont know who came up with this idea :(

29.4.11 :)- did some overall changes to the guide. Nothing realy new.
same day: added the Small version :) also i added the extra fast way and some random info.
30.4.11 : Added some Cons and pros. Maybe going to do a 3 people way for Us players.
hay i wrote a guide like this a long time ago.... you basically just copyed what i said and rewrote it all... so everyone can see that he copyed ima post a link here---->http://forums.trendyent.com/showthread.php?56344-Found-the-FASTEST-way-to-level-up-and-its-really-good!-100k-xp-in-2-3-mins!!!&highlight=happyguy3216 to show you all that this guy just copyed what i wrote... made it fancier... and then added some extra things like dont build 30 times in his link... thanks but this post should not be posted anymore because it has been posted many times before... :/

[Hellnel]

Your idea is good too, i did it lots of time but i can state you that Glitterhelm still better IMHO.
Why?

- You can solo + 3 afk easily
- If you have GOOD tower stats you dont need to repair ANYTHING until the build phase of wave 9.
- You need only to fight the Oggers, and you can do it alone with your huntress
- That is plenty of time to loot the chests during the combat phase (and you can get good gears)
- You get 4 weapons at the end (Tsuda's, magma, good squire wep)
- You can go over 2,2mi if you do it right (specially if you have a good Soul Focuser that avoid receiving damage)

:)

[auburnfury]

Your idea is good too, i did it lots of time but i can state you that Glitterhelm still better IMHO.
Why?

- You can solo + 3 afk easily
- If you have GOOD tower stats you dont need to repair ANYTHING until the build phase of wave 9.
- You need only to fight the Oggers, and you can do it alone with your huntress
- That is plenty of time to loot the chests during the combat phase (and you can get good gears)
- You get 4 weapons at the end (Tsuda's, magma, good squire wep)
- You can go over 2,2mi if you do it right (specially if you have a good Soul Focuser that avoid receiving damage)

:)

Just out of curiosity, what are considered 'good' tower stats?

[mcwolves71]

Well in misty with this strategy its pretty hard to level a tower character

[iphex]

hay i wrote a guide like this a long time ago.... you basically just copyed what i said and rewrote it all... so everyone can see that he copyed ima post a link here---->http://forums.trendyent.com/showthread.php?56344-Found-the-FASTEST-way-to-level-up-and-its-really-good!-100k-xp-in-2-3-mins!!!&highlight=happyguy3216 to show you all that this guy just copyed what i wrote... made it fancier... and then added some extra things like dont build 30 times in his link... thanks but this post should not be posted anymore because it has been posted many times before... :/

Iam sorry that i didnt saw your "GUIDE" before, but please compare YOUR guide and my GUIDE. Theres a huge difference . You didnt even took your time to do a proper guide, nor you took your time to do some more researching about the real amount of exp or time you need. Many of your info is false. Why dont you just say " hey nice nice I also did a little "guide" to this. Its nice to see somebody taking his time to do a "proper" guide thanks", but your like that " Hey that dude stold my "guide", what a *******. Ha he just COPIED my guide and made it a BIT fancier". Even tho you said thanks, I understand your thanks more like " ah... go **** off nobody needs it here". There are alot people who will never understand what you wrote and thats what I am here for :)


Your idea is good too, i did it lots of time but i can state you that Glitterhelm still better IMHO.
Why?

- You can solo + 3 afk easily
- If you have GOOD tower stats you dont need to repair ANYTHING until the build phase of wave 9.

:)

IF you have Good towerstats. Yes that is the problem :)


Well in misty with this strategy its pretty hard to level a tower character

Nope. What about reskilling your tower chara and changing his eq with other charas? Will take a bit time and 100k mana each time you reskill but thats something you need to take in care of :).

[iphex]

although it s a very nice guide and well written and bravo for that,

you can no longer get into a mistymire game without it restarting after the first wave
of course you are not to be blamed with that its just down to people and how they use these "shortcuts"
but it seems everybody is so "power hungry" they just want to get there, and forget about the trip

As you set out for Ithaka
hope the voyage is a long one,
full of adventure, full of discovery.
Laistrygonians and Cyclops,
angry Poseidon—don’t be afraid of them:
you’ll never find things like that on your way
as long as you keep your thoughts raised high,
as long as a rare excitement
stirs your spirit and your body.
Laistrygonians and Cyclops,
wild Poseidon—you won’t encounter them
unless you bring them along inside your soul,
unless your soul sets them up in front of you.

Hope the voyage is a long one.
May there be many a summer morning when,
with what pleasure, what joy,
you come into harbors seen for the first time;
may you stop at Phoenician trading stations
to buy fine things,
mo ther of pearl and coral, amber and ebony,
sensual perfume of every kind—
as many sensual perfumes as you can;
and may you visit many Egyptian cities
to gather stores of knowledge from their scholars.

Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you are destined for.
But do not hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you are old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you have gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.

Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you would not have set out.
She has nothing left to give you now.

And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you.
Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,
you will have understood by then what these Ithakas mean.

As I am not that much into "that" stuff, I think I still could understand it. Its a nice way to give your opinion an "helping hand".
I realy appreciate it, that you took your time for that and I actually have the same opinion as you. But as you said, its not my fault or more like its the players choice how he plays the game. He may take the long, the experiencing way or the fast way, without all that awesome experience he could archive trough the long way. But I more likely hope that the players take a mix out of this. That way you they will still "earn" that experience and they will be also satisfied with there strenght.

[ClearlySuperior]

Ok, I have seen probably 10 different threads about running Misty if you can't beat Glitter Insane due to lack of stats.. This has always confused me. Why not play Glitter on Hard to find a better build and/or obtain better equipment? A perfect run on Glitter Hard can get you just under 1M xp and you have unlimited time to gather the chests which still hold better equipment than you probably have if you can't beat Glitter Insane. Or why not play Ramparts Insane? It takes like 5 minutes and imo has the best chest drops out of all the maps and it's also one of the easiest maps. You may only get like 300k xp, but if you do 3-5 runs, you will get much better equipment.

It really drives me nuts when people can't beat a level due to low stats so they want to ride other players to beat it for them. Simple fix. Grind an easier level to get better armor. Honestly, the 5-8 points you get per level doesn't compare to getting a better piece of equipment that can grant you +6-18 in multiple attributes. Now if you're a person who is just plain and simple, not good at the game, then by all means ask for help. But it seems like a lot of people are just lazy and don't want to do the leg work.

And I understand that this is a team based game, but having other people do all the work for you and taking the easy road is the same as using a cheat code to raise your attributes and it just takes away from the awesomeness and the point of the game in my eyes.

Idk, it just doesn't make sense to me. If you have bad equipment and you're more focused on leveling up than finding better equipment to further improve your odds of success, I don't think you're playing the game right. If I have trouble with a level, the first thing I look at is my equipment and how I can improve my character.

I apologize if I seem out of line or if I have offended anybody, but I had to speak my mind on this one.

[iphex]

Ok, I have seen probably 10 different threads about running Misty if you can't beat Glitter Insane due to lack of stats.. This has always confused me. Why not play Glitter on Hard to find a better build and/or obtain better equipment? A perfect run on Glitter Hard can get you just under 1M xp and you have unlimited time to gather the chests which still hold better equipment than you probably have if you can't beat Glitter Insane. Or why not play Ramparts Insane? It takes like 5 minutes and imo has the best chest drops out of all the maps and it's also one of the easiest maps. You may only get like 300k xp, but if you do 3-5 runs, you will get much better equipment.

It really drives me nuts when people can't beat a level due to low stats so they want to ride other players to beat it for them. Simple fix. Grind an easier level to get better armor. Honestly, the 5-8 points you get per level doesn't compare to getting a better piece of equipment that can grant you +6-18 in multiple attributes. Now if you're a person who is just plain and simple, not good at the game, then by all means ask for help. But it seems like a lot of people are just lazy and don't want to do the leg work.

And I understand that this is a team based game, but having other people do all the work for you and taking the easy road is the same as using a cheat code to raise your attributes and it just takes away from the awesomeness and the point of the game in my eyes.

Idk, it just doesn't make sense to me. If you have bad equipment and you're more focused on leveling up than finding better equipment to further improve your odds of success, I don't think you're playing the game right. If I have trouble with a level, the first thing I look at is my equipment and how I can improve my character.

I apologize if I seem out of line or if I have offended anybody, but I had to speak my mind on this one.

Ok first of all, thats something nice you wrote down there, but that realy game changing EQ is for lvl 74 and 78. I dont even find any 70s in any map anymore. So if your a higher level, you can start using the gear from the easier map, mistymire, and go on to glitter. Mistymire has eq for lvl 74 from 30^ upto 40^ and lvl 48 from 40^ upto 58^. Thats totaly enough gear to go to Glitter for even higher gear.
1 thing I dont understand is the underlined sentences. Where is somebody helping, or more like who is asking for help and is too lazy to level or find better eq himself?

[Hellnel]

I said GOOD tower stats and not ÜBER tower stats.

By good i mean:
HLT: 150^
ATK: 200^
AOE: 100^
SPD: 100^

You can exchange HLT and ATK too...

I have better stats but i started to do insane glliter with something near that.


PS: Both my aura monk and tower squire are NOT EVEN lvl 74, so they are using pre-patch armor/wep

[jliu]

I said GOOD tower stats and not ÜBER tower stats.

By good i mean:
HLT: 150^
ATK: 200^
AOE: 100^
SPD: 100^

You can exchange HLT and ATK too...

I have better stats but i started to do insane glliter with something near that.


PS: Both my aura monk and tower squire are NOT EVEN lvl 74, so they are using pre-patch armor/wep

What's your setup? Does it still work since the Square nerf?

[ClearlySuperior]

1 thing I dont understand is the underlined sentences. Where is somebody helping, or more like who is asking for help and is too lazy to level or find better eq himself?

That part came off wrong and I was kind of mixing in personal experience from in-game. I just figured I'd throw it in there bc it kind of runs with the "power level" basis of the the post. Kids jump in my room at level 20-30 and expect me to give handouts or run them through everything on insane. I know this is a guide for easier leveling, but how many people, after reading this, are gonna jump in a room and start yelling "LETS POWER LEVEL MM INSANE!" That's what I was getting at, but I'm not the best at putting thoughts to words so yeah.

[iphex]

That part came off wrong and I was kind of mixing in personal experience from in-game. I just figured I'd throw it in there bc it kind of runs with the "power level" basis of the the post. Kids jump in my room at level 20-30 and expect me to give handouts or run them through everything on insane. I know this is a guide for easier leveling, but how many people, after reading this, are gonna jump in a room and start yelling "LETS POWER LEVEL MM INSANE!" That's what I was getting at, but I'm not the best at putting thoughts to words so yeah.

Sorry to answer so late, but I can understand you. Thats totaly normal for every game. From Call of Duty to any MMORPG.
Thats something you need to ignore :)

[BADASSABE]

You forgot one very Important Step!

Grap your smartphone/laptop/tablet and watch netflicks/Movies while you power level.

It makes the time fly by, I am currently rewatchin the bleach series (since it ended) in English dub uncut