DLC(Eternia maps etc) still need everyone to buy to play with friends?

[Infernotez]

I have largely ignored the game for the past little over 4 months after the start of superloot and megalomania in loot. My question is if I were to come back(I saw the ev) would I have to get friends to buy the dlc to play? If so I might as well say so long again since it would be pointless to try and get people to come back just to pay trendy and grind.

I'm not questioning paying for the chars, but more so if they could play with me on the stuff they would actually want to play(new maps).

[senz54]

Yes..

[Infernotez]

Yes.. Well then not even worth attempting to play since only 2 people I know still play and they don't have said dlc and everyone else doesn't have it.

[Pwnocchio]

If you own the DLC and host the game, your friends should be able to join you... I think lol! :)

[ssjrockyrambo]

I have largely ignored the game for the past little over 4 months after the start of superloot and megalomania in loot. My question is if I were to come back(I saw the ev) would I have to get friends to buy the dlc to play? If so I might as well say so long again since it would be pointless to try and get people to come back just to pay trendy and grind.

I'm not questioning paying for the chars, but more so if they could play with me on the stuff they would actually want to play(new maps).

If you own Eternia shards, you can't play an Eternia shards map with someone who doesn't own the Eternia Shards DLC.

However, you can play any other map with them with any of the characters.

Are you actually upset you can't buy new maps and play them with people who haven't gotten it?

That's like saying, "Why can't I play multiplayer PS3 games over the internet with someone who owns a PS2?!"

Answer: They haven't bought it yet!

[snipyro]

If you own Eternia shards, you can't play an Eternia shards map with someone who doesn't own the Eternia Shards DLC.

However, you can play any other map with them with any of the characters.

Are you actually upset you can't buy new maps and play them with people who haven't gotten it?

That's like saying, "Why can't I play multiplayer PS3 games over the internet with someone who owns a PS2?!"

Answer: They haven't bought it yet!

Your analogy is not the same at all. PS2 and PS3 are completely different products. Here, both people already own the game but one person has the DLC. Quite a few games out there do allow friends to play together as long as one of them has the DLC e.g. Magicka.

I don't have a problem myself as my friend and I both have the DLC, but I can see how it irritates some others who don't have harcore gaming friends, especially as lack of NM mode means very limited progression.

[Dumplings168]

"since it would be pointless to try and get people to come back just to pay trendy and grind."

Without the gear grind this game wouldn't be fun, the only reason people keep playing is because there is better gear to obtain. Different forms of grind is what keeps the hamster running on the wheel for almost all mmorpgs.

[Ceron]

Host ONLY: All holiday DLCs

Host + Joiners: Nightmare anything, Lost Shards maps

[ssjrockyrambo]

Your analogy is not the same at all. PS2 and PS3 are completely different products.

Thank you, in your first sentence, saying exactly what my point was.

Lost Shards is A DIFFERENT PRODUCT than the standard, base game of Dungeon Defenders. It is sold as an expansion pack.

Why anyone would think they should be able to buy ONE expansion pack, or ONE new version of ANYTHING and play it with friends who don't own it is ludicrous. This isn't the 90's anymore.

[Dais]

As far as I know only six things are unplayable without everyone having the DLC: Mistymire, Moraggo, Portal Defense, War of the Djinns, Lifestream Monsterfest, and Oasis Monsterfest.

[Soltis]

The only thing that gets to me about this is I have clear memories of Trendy when initially asked saying that any player could join any map/game the only restriction would be that they couldn't progress the storyline (I'm assuming they meant couldn't get achievements/trophies from levels they didn't own)

Then the only maps that seemed to follow that rule were the warping core maps (I think some of the newer challenge maps maybe?)..... then the rest locked players who did not own the content out.

One of those things where saying one thing then doing another really ended up hurting them (at least with me and good faith) Where as another Tower defens FPS in which you could join any map regardless of owning the DLC as long as the host owned it, resulted in me purchasing their DLC after finding it enjoyable.

[todaz]

they said u cant join the new maps since it is impossible if they do not include it in patch which they shouldnt since then you can get it easily. but you can join NM

[snipyro]

Thank you, in your first sentence, saying exactly what my point was.

Lost Shards is A DIFFERENT PRODUCT than the standard, base game of Dungeon Defenders. It is sold as an expansion pack.

Why anyone would think they should be able to buy ONE expansion pack, or ONE new version of ANYTHING and play it with friends who don't own it is ludicrous. This isn't the 90's anymore.

Not everyone would consider an expansion pack a complete new product - I certainly don't. Like I said, Magicka allows it, and so do a few other games. You said something about 90s? I see it happening in products coming out right now. It's a way to get more players interested in the DLC, and there's a good reason to do it. It lessens the segregation between playerbases of the SAME game - and this is exactly why I think you can't see them as 2 different products. Having DLC limits the number of players plaing normal DD and vice versa. It affects the original game someone paid for, and naturally they will be irritated that the number of players they can play with grows smaller.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not flaming Trendy to make this happen, as I like DD enough to buy the DLC. But it's quite true that I hardly have anyone to play said DLC with, other than my one friend who bought it too. Just making the point there ARE games that do allow DLC to be played with non-owners...and not games from the 90s.

[Soltis]

Not everyone would consider an expansion pack a complete new product - I certainly don't. Like I said, Magicka allows it, and so do a few other games. You said something about 90s? I see it happening in products coming out right now. It's a way to get more players interested in the DLC, and there's a good reason to do it. It lessens the segregation between playerbases of the SAME game - and this is exactly why I think you can't see them as 2 different products. Having DLC limits the number of players plaing normal DD and vice versa. It affects the original game someone paid for, and naturally they will be irritated that the number of players they can play with grows smaller.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not flaming Trendy to make this happen, as I like DD enough to buy the DLC. But it's quite true that I hardly have anyone to play said DLC with, other than my one friend who bought it too. Just making the point there ARE games that do allow DLC to be played with non-owners...and not games from the 90s.

Essentially that.

Its pretty much what happened with my friends who play the game, we stopped pubbing quite some time ago and only a few of them bought the DLC. The result was the few who did buy the DLC were essentially shoehorned into playing the vanilla game because most of us didn't have said DLC. Ultimately we all got bored with Vanilla and moved on to other games including those who had bought the eternian crystals pack.

What could have happened there is that those without the DLC could have joined those with the DLC (since everyone has the same data and the only think holding that back is a boolean variable saying you don't own the DLC) The people who don't own the DLC get a taste of it (their friends with the DLC aren't there 24/7 at their beck and call) and having enjoyed it they have incentive to buy the DLC.

There were a few times when those of us on didn't have the DLC and wanted to start a Nightmare game but couldn't justify buying an expansion that a majority of the rest of our friends wouldn't be able to play just to start a Nightmare game. I happily would have snapped up the expansion if I knew I could have played it with my friends.

This certainly wouldn't entice everyone to buy the DLC some would just go around pub games playing it. But I think it would have increased the adoption rate (especially with those who are teetering on the razors edge of indecision) and curtailed people who bought the DLC from leaving because they ended up sticking mainly with vanilla blah because their friends couldn't join them in the DLC.

Really either decision is a double edged sword.

[senz54]

It's 12€. I make more than that in an hour of work and I'm 21 years old working in a profession I'm not even educated for. Seriously what's the big deal? You're whining over pocket change.

[injected11]

Host ONLY: All holiday DLCs, Nightmare

Host + Joiners: Lost Shards maps

Fixed that for you.

[Infernotez]

Well what about college students and people who just aren't sure $13 is worth it(and especially $20 since they would want the new chars if they decided to get dlc). This was the main reason I decided to say screw DD and do other stuff. I would have paid $20 at this point and have had nobody to play with. I considered spending the $20 for myself, but then I would have to spend another $100 so I could have friends to play with or upsell them on grinding.

I could guarantee them $20 and at least 4 people playing the game again(even if they are or aren't buying the dlc) if they changed it so we could play on the maps I buy. I put 500 hrs myself into the game and bought the warping core dlc and new heroes dlc plus pre-ordered a 4 pack of the game. Yes balance and grinding were getting a bit on my nerves, but the dlc is what made me stop playing. I would also like to point out the release cost of the game for 4 characters, and what 15 maps was $15. This includes creating the code base, adding features and everything else.

I'm not going to argue it, but if they want return customers and a large base that loves the game and ready to toss out money they need to keep people engaged and wanting more not mad and uninterested.

Also I'm as I said I'm not adverse to actually spending money. I spent over $800 last year on gaming alone. So far this year I'm around $160, but valve paid for around $180 on top of this years gaming too. Also I have $180 planned to go to a few developers as soon as the games go on sale.

[lazor]

Thank you, in your first sentence, saying exactly what my point was.

Lost Shards is A DIFFERENT PRODUCT than the standard, base game of Dungeon Defenders. It is sold as an expansion pack.

Why anyone would think they should be able to buy ONE expansion pack, or ONE new version of ANYTHING and play it with friends who don't own it is ludicrous. This isn't the 90's anymore.

lmao maybe because some other games actually let you do this??? Magicka does.

[sterlingdax]

So you want you and your friends to buy one copy and all of you play, for what? Progression was mentioned, progress to what? The items in the vanilla game are more than capable of completing the game. The new content has been more than the original game, inclufing the free stuff and a new game mode that completely changes the game, but only one person should have to buy all that work the dev did cause you are poor? Then they will be poor, and no more content for anyone. At this time it is beta, you and your unsupportive cheap friends can wait for NM to be released to the public, you can't have your cake and eat it too, Trendy owes you nothing.

Yes, we got it, Magicka does it, there are very few games that do that, good on them, think about buying their products, especially the debs that give back.

[Cymmina]

Well what about college students and people who just aren't sure $13 is worth it.

If you have the base game, you already know whether or not you like the game enough to pay for DLC. For you, it was clearly a "yes" and for your friends, it was clearly a "no".

I agree that it would be nice to be able to trial maps you don't own to see if they are worth it or not. I thought you could play Eternia shards maps if you didn't own them, since you could play other DLC maps without owning them. It seems strange that they would change the rules for the maps themselves (Mistymire, Moraggo), but not for the difficulty mode (Nightmare).

Even if your friends can't share the Eternia shards maps with you, I still think it's worth getting for the new difficulty mode that you can share. It effectively adds about 20% more content and has the new item qualities (Mythic, etc.). To me, that is more valuable than the new maps. Sure, Mistymire and Moraggo are the best places to get gear, but plenty of the core maps provide "good enough" gear on Nightmare.

[lazor]

So you want you and your friends to buy one copy and all of you play, for what? Progression was mentioned, progress to what? The items in the vanilla game are more than capable of completing the game. The new content has been more than the original game, inclufing the free stuff and a new game mode that completely changes the game, but only one person should have to buy all that work the dev did cause you are poor? Then they will be poor, and no more content for anyone. At this time it is beta, you and your unsupportive cheap friends can wait for NM to be released to the public, you can't have your cake and eat it too, Trendy owes you nothing.

Yes, we got it, Magicka does it, there are very few games that do that, good on them, think about buying their products, especially the debs that give back.

lmao you're so angry for no good reason

[ssjrockyrambo]

lmao you're so angry for no good reason

I feel bad for you if you think THAT is "so angry." I mean really, out of all the posts on the internet, what he said was extremely tame. You just sound like a troll.

He's commenting on how ludicrous it is that people think they should be able to play a game with others who have not bought the game or specific 13-dollar DLC. It's his opinion.

[ssjrockyrambo]

lmao maybe because some other games actually let you do this??? Magicka does.

That is the worst analogy I've seen so far. Magicka is a completely different game with different production costs, content, user base, etc. Just because "Magicka" does it, does not mean it would benefit Dungeon Defenders. Where does it stop? When do we stop making games similar to Magicka? You have to draw the line somewhere and you do that by recognizing they are two completely different games.

[BatLB]

If you own Eternia shards, you can't play an Eternia shards map with someone who doesn't own the Eternia Shards DLC.

Not true.

When you have the DLC and HOST, everyone else is able to join any map you own. So, you can play ALL MAPS you own with YOUR DLCs - And your friends get a "sneak peak", they can join you and play with you and enjoy everything you can enjoy.

they just need to buy the DLC if they want to create new heroes or play dlc maps in their own games.